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Digging through the forum, someone made a post about 7 years ago with regards to what people are using for a CAD program.  It seemed like a majority were using Revit, with a few AutoCAD's, Chief Architect, and ArchiCAD.

So I have been a DataCAD user for upwards of 16+ years.  It's what the firm I was working at used, and then when I went off on my own, I continued to use it.  Overall I still like the program and what it offers.  I see it more as a 2D program with 3D capabilities, than say a BIM or 3D program that you can get 2D drawings from.  Probably because I haven't been as exposed or my clientele (residential) haven't requested it as much, I haven't had a huge need for 3D renderings, so I am a bit more reluctant to go down that path, but not opposed.  I am getting to a point though where I feel like I might be hitting a ceiling or a limit with DataCAD.  I have a Mac and need to run parallels (virtual OS) to be able to use the program, which isn't the end of the world, but just a small hurdle.  I recently had to go into the Apple Store to get some help as to why my computer seemed to be bogging down.  It shouldn't be with the specs I have, but in doing some digging, it was discovered that DataCAD runs as a 32 bit program in a 64 bit OS.  So I am hitting some huge limitations with a 32-bit program.  This has since got me wondering if I need to explore a different program that is compatible with a Mac or Windows, or just accept that I am going to be limited and there will be times the computer bogs down a bit.

What I am looking for is a program that allows me to create a great set of CD's.  I like the details, I like the notes, I like putting together a complete set that generates as few questions from the contractors once the construction has begun.  I feel as though something like Chief Architect might be more heavy on the 3D side of things and essentially the pretty picture versus the nitty gritty details.  Thats not to say I am wrong and a great set can't be produced from it.  (I haven't had time to dive deep into it or others yet).  But I do want to explore some options and start to stay more up to date.  I know that change will be difficult, and there will be things that are not as easy to do or make sense given the 16+ years I have been doing it.  But I also don't want to be limited if I ever decide to expand and need to hire someone.

Any input is greatly appreciated and I look forward to the comments.

Jason

Digging through the forum, someone made a post about 7 years ago with regards to what people are using for a CAD program.  It seemed like a majority were using Revit, with a few AutoCAD's, Chief Architect, and ArchiCAD.

So I have been a DataCAD user for upwards of 16+ years.  It's what the firm I was working at used, and then when I went off on my own, I continued to use it.  Overall I still like the program and what it offers.  I see it more as a 2D program with 3D capabilities, than say a BIM or 3D program that you can get 2D drawings from.  Probably because I haven't been as exposed or my clientele (residential) haven't requested it as much, I haven't had a huge need for 3D renderings, so I am a bit more reluctant to go down that path, but not opposed.  I am getting to a point though where I feel like I might be hitting a ceiling or a limit with DataCAD.  I have a Mac and need to run parallels (virtual OS) to be able to use the program, which isn't the end of the world, but just a small hurdle.  I recently had to go into the Apple Store to get some help as to why my computer seemed to be bogging down.  It shouldn't be with the specs I have, but in doing some digging, it was discovered that DataCAD runs as a 32 bit program in a 64 bit OS.  So I am hitting some huge limitations with a 32-bit program.  This has since got me wondering if I need to explore a different program that is compatible with a Mac or Windows, or just accept that I am going to be limited and there will be times the computer bogs down a bit.

What I am looking for is a program that allows me to create a great set of CD's.  I like the details, I like the notes, I like putting together a complete set that generates as few questions from the contractors once the construction has begun.  I feel as though something like Chief Architect might be more heavy on the 3D side of things and essentially the pretty picture versus the nitty gritty details.  Thats not to say I am wrong and a great set can't be produced from it.  (I haven't had time to dive deep into it or others yet).  But I do want to explore some options and start to stay more up to date.  I know that change will be difficult, and there will be things that are not as easy to do or make sense given the 16+ years I have been doing it.  But I also don't want to be limited if I ever decide to expand and need to hire someone.

Any input is greatly appreciated and I look forward to the comments.

Jason

Digging through the forum, someone made a post about 7 years ago with regards to what people are using for a CAD program.  It seemed like a majority were using Revit, with a few AutoCAD's, Chief Architect, and ArchiCAD.

So I have been a DataCAD user for upwards of 16+ years.  It's what the firm I was working at used, and then when I went off on my own, I continued to use it.  Overall I still like the program and what it offers.  I see it more as a 2D program with 3D capabilities, than say a BIM or 3D program that you can get 2D drawings from.  Probably because I haven't been as exposed or my clientele (residential) haven't requested it as much, I haven't had a huge need for 3D renderings, so I am a bit more reluctant to go down that path, but not opposed.  I am getting to a point though where I feel like I might be hitting a ceiling or a limit with DataCAD.  I have a Mac and need to run parallels (virtual OS) to be able to use the program, which isn't the end of the world, but just a small hurdle.  I recently had to go into the Apple Store to get some help as to why my computer seemed to be bogging down.  It shouldn't be with the specs I have, but in doing some digging, it was discovered that DataCAD runs as a 32 bit program in a 64 bit OS.  So I am hitting some huge limitations with a 32-bit program.  This has since got me wondering if I need to explore a different program that is compatible with a Mac or Windows, or just accept that I am going to be limited and there will be times the computer bogs down a bit.

What I am looking for is a program that allows me to create a great set of CD's.  I like the details, I like the notes, I like putting together a complete set that generates as few questions from the contractors once the construction has begun.  I feel as though something like Chief Architect might be more heavy on the 3D side of things and essentially the pretty picture versus the nitty gritty details.  Thats not to say I am wrong and a great set can't be produced from it.  (I haven't had time to dive deep into it or others yet).  But I do want to explore some options and start to stay more up to date.  I know that change will be difficult, and there will be things that are not as easy to do or make sense given the 16+ years I have been doing it.  But I also don't want to be limited if I ever decide to expand and need to hire someone.

Any input is greatly appreciated and I look forward to the comments.

Jason

Digging through the forum, someone made a post about 7 years ago with regards to what people are using for a CAD program.  It seemed like a majority were using Revit, with a few AutoCAD's, Chief Architect, and ArchiCAD.

So I have been a DataCAD user for upwards of 16+ years.  It's what the firm I was working at used, and then when I went off on my own, I continued to use it.  Overall I still like the program and what it offers.  I see it more as a 2D program with 3D capabilities, than say a BIM or 3D program that you can get 2D drawings from.  Probably because I haven't been as exposed or my clientele (residential) haven't requested it as much, I haven't had a huge need for 3D renderings, so I am a bit more reluctant to go down that path, but not opposed.  I am getting to a point though where I feel like I might be hitting a ceiling or a limit with DataCAD.  I have a Mac and need to run parallels (virtual OS) to be able to use the program, which isn't the end of the world, but just a small hurdle.  I recently had to go into the Apple Store to get some help as to why my computer seemed to be bogging down.  It shouldn't be with the specs I have, but in doing some digging, it was discovered that DataCAD runs as a 32 bit program in a 64 bit OS.  So I am hitting some huge limitations with a 32-bit program.  This has since got me wondering if I need to explore a different program that is compatible with a Mac or Windows, or just accept that I am going to be limited and there will be times the computer bogs down a bit.

What I am looking for is a program that allows me to create a great set of CD's.  I like the details, I like the notes, I like putting together a complete set that generates as few questions from the contractors once the construction has begun.  I feel as though something like Chief Architect might be more heavy on the 3D side of things and essentially the pretty picture versus the nitty gritty details.  Thats not to say I am wrong and a great set can't be produced from it.  (I haven't had time to dive deep into it or others yet).  But I do want to explore some options and start to stay more up to date.  I know that change will be difficult, and there will be things that are not as easy to do or make sense given the 16+ years I have been doing it.  But I also don't want to be limited if I ever decide to expand and need to hire someone.

Any input is greatly appreciated and I look forward to the comments.

Jason

Digging through the forum, someone made a post about 7 years ago with regards to what people are using for a CAD program.  It seemed like a majority were using Revit, with a few AutoCAD's, Chief Architect, and ArchiCAD.

So I have been a DataCAD user for upwards of 16+ years.  It's what the firm I was working at used, and then when I went off on my own, I continued to use it.  Overall I still like the program and what it offers.  I see it more as a 2D program with 3D capabilities, than say a BIM or 3D program that you can get 2D drawings from.  Probably because I haven't been as exposed or my clientele (residential) haven't requested it as much, I haven't had a huge need for 3D renderings, so I am a bit more reluctant to go down that path, but not opposed.  I am getting to a point though where I feel like I might be hitting a ceiling or a limit with DataCAD.  I have a Mac and need to run parallels (virtual OS) to be able to use the program, which isn't the end of the world, but just a small hurdle.  I recently had to go into the Apple Store to get some help as to why my computer seemed to be bogging down.  It shouldn't be with the specs I have, but in doing some digging, it was discovered that DataCAD runs as a 32 bit program in a 64 bit OS.  So I am hitting some huge limitations with a 32-bit program.  This has since got me wondering if I need to explore a different program that is compatible with a Mac or Windows, or just accept that I am going to be limited and there will be times the computer bogs down a bit.

What I am looking for is a program that allows me to create a great set of CD's.  I like the details, I like the notes, I like putting together a complete set that generates as few questions from the contractors once the construction has begun.  I feel as though something like Chief Architect might be more heavy on the 3D side of things and essentially the pretty picture versus the nitty gritty details.  Thats not to say I am wrong and a great set can't be produced from it.  (I haven't had time to dive deep into it or others yet).  But I do want to explore some options and start to stay more up to date.  I know that change will be difficult, and there will be things that are not as easy to do or make sense given the 16+ years I have been doing it.  But I also don't want to be limited if I ever decide to expand and need to hire someone.

Any input is greatly appreciated and I look forward to the comments.

Jason

Digging through the forum, someone made a post about 7 years ago with regards to what people are using for a CAD program.  It seemed like a majority were using Revit, with a few AutoCAD's, Chief Architect, and ArchiCAD.

So I have been a DataCAD user for upwards of 16+ years.  It's what the firm I was working at used, and then when I went off on my own, I continued to use it.  Overall I still like the program and what it offers.  I see it more as a 2D program with 3D capabilities, than say a BIM or 3D program that you can get 2D drawings from.  Probably because I haven't been as exposed or my clientele (residential) haven't requested it as much, I haven't had a huge need for 3D renderings, so I am a bit more reluctant to go down that path, but not opposed.  I am getting to a point though where I feel like I might be hitting a ceiling or a limit with DataCAD.  I have a Mac and need to run parallels (virtual OS) to be able to use the program, which isn't the end of the world, but just a small hurdle.  I recently had to go into the Apple Store to get some help as to why my computer seemed to be bogging down.  It shouldn't be with the specs I have, but in doing some digging, it was discovered that DataCAD runs as a 32 bit program in a 64 bit OS.  So I am hitting some huge limitations with a 32-bit program.  This has since got me wondering if I need to explore a different program that is compatible with a Mac or Windows, or just accept that I am going to be limited and there will be times the computer bogs down a bit.

What I am looking for is a program that allows me to create a great set of CD's.  I like the details, I like the notes, I like putting together a complete set that generates as few questions from the contractors once the construction has begun.  I feel as though something like Chief Architect might be more heavy on the 3D side of things and essentially the pretty picture versus the nitty gritty details.  Thats not to say I am wrong and a great set can't be produced from it.  (I haven't had time to dive deep into it or others yet).  But I do want to explore some options and start to stay more up to date.  I know that change will be difficult, and there will be things that are not as easy to do or make sense given the 16+ years I have been doing it.  But I also don't want to be limited if I ever decide to expand and need to hire someone.

Any input is greatly appreciated and I look forward to the comments.

Jason

Digging through the forum, someone made a post about 7 years ago with regards to what people are using for a CAD program.  It seemed like a majority were using Revit, with a few AutoCAD's, Chief Architect, and ArchiCAD.

So I have been a DataCAD user for upwards of 16+ years.  It's what the firm I was working at used, and then when I went off on my own, I continued to use it.  Overall I still like the program and what it offers.  I see it more as a 2D program with 3D capabilities, than say a BIM or 3D program that you can get 2D drawings from.  Probably because I haven't been as exposed or my clientele (residential) haven't requested it as much, I haven't had a huge need for 3D renderings, so I am a bit more reluctant to go down that path, but not opposed.  I am getting to a point though where I feel like I might be hitting a ceiling or a limit with DataCAD.  I have a Mac and need to run parallels (virtual OS) to be able to use the program, which isn't the end of the world, but just a small hurdle.  I recently had to go into the Apple Store to get some help as to why my computer seemed to be bogging down.  It shouldn't be with the specs I have, but in doing some digging, it was discovered that DataCAD runs as a 32 bit program in a 64 bit OS.  So I am hitting some huge limitations with a 32-bit program.  This has since got me wondering if I need to explore a different program that is compatible with a Mac or Windows, or just accept that I am going to be limited and there will be times the computer bogs down a bit.

What I am looking for is a program that allows me to create a great set of CD's.  I like the details, I like the notes, I like putting together a complete set that generates as few questions from the contractors once the construction has begun.  I feel as though something like Chief Architect might be more heavy on the 3D side of things and essentially the pretty picture versus the nitty gritty details.  Thats not to say I am wrong and a great set can't be produced from it.  (I haven't had time to dive deep into it or others yet).  But I do want to explore some options and start to stay more up to date.  I know that change will be difficult, and there will be things that are not as easy to do or make sense given the 16+ years I have been doing it.  But I also don't want to be limited if I ever decide to expand and need to hire someone.

Any input is greatly appreciated and I look forward to the comments.

Jason

Digging through the forum, someone made a post about 7 years ago with regards to what people are using for a CAD program.  It seemed like a majority were using Revit, with a few AutoCAD's, Chief Architect, and ArchiCAD.

So I have been a DataCAD user for upwards of 16+ years.  It's what the firm I was working at used, and then when I went off on my own, I continued to use it.  Overall I still like the program and what it offers.  I see it more as a 2D program with 3D capabilities, than say a BIM or 3D program that you can get 2D drawings from.  Probably because I haven't been as exposed or my clientele (residential) haven't requested it as much, I haven't had a huge need for 3D renderings, so I am a bit more reluctant to go down that path, but not opposed.  I am getting to a point though where I feel like I might be hitting a ceiling or a limit with DataCAD.  I have a Mac and need to run parallels (virtual OS) to be able to use the program, which isn't the end of the world, but just a small hurdle.  I recently had to go into the Apple Store to get some help as to why my computer seemed to be bogging down.  It shouldn't be with the specs I have, but in doing some digging, it was discovered that DataCAD runs as a 32 bit program in a 64 bit OS.  So I am hitting some huge limitations with a 32-bit program.  This has since got me wondering if I need to explore a different program that is compatible with a Mac or Windows, or just accept that I am going to be limited and there will be times the computer bogs down a bit.

What I am looking for is a program that allows me to create a great set of CD's.  I like the details, I like the notes, I like putting together a complete set that generates as few questions from the contractors once the construction has begun.  I feel as though something like Chief Architect might be more heavy on the 3D side of things and essentially the pretty picture versus the nitty gritty details.  Thats not to say I am wrong and a great set can't be produced from it.  (I haven't had time to dive deep into it or others yet).  But I do want to explore some options and start to stay more up to date.  I know that change will be difficult, and there will be things that are not as easy to do or make sense given the 16+ years I have been doing it.  But I also don't want to be limited if I ever decide to expand and need to hire someone.

Any input is greatly appreciated and I look forward to the comments.

Jason

DataCAD!!

You made me young again reading your post. :D

I have learned a bunch of different software along the way (started in 1996 with AutoCAD R12).  I now use Revit and for me it is a good fit.

If you stay with Mac, you will probably do best switching to AutoCAD LT.  It works great with 2D drawings, is fast, can be shared with consultants, contractors, etc.  

If you want to expand your horizons, look into ArchiCAD.  But be forewarned, it is a steep learning curve from 2D and isn't as useful for coordination with consultants.  But it is beautiful to work in.

You didn't mention project size...so I'm assuming you are not doing high-rise or complex projects since nowadays you pretty much have to have Revit to coordinate those projects with others.  If that's the case, again...AutoCAD LT will work great.  

Revit is also a steep learning curve.  I am self-taught - picked it up back in 2006 and at the time nobody was interested in it.  Funny how things have changed.  Taught it as an adjunct faculty at the local college for fun - and have never looked back.  Briefly used ArchiCAD (also self-taught) for 2-3 years, but only for residential work - which is where it really shines.

Best way to learn a new software is to have a client request it or project that requires it - great motivation!

Digging through the forum, someone made a post about 7 years ago with regards to what people are using for a CAD program.  It seemed like a majority were using Revit, with a few AutoCAD's, Chief Architect, and ArchiCAD.

So I have been a DataCAD user for upwards of 16+ years.  It's what the firm I was working at used, and then when I went off on my own, I continued to use it.  Overall I still like the program and what it offers.  I see it more as a 2D program with 3D capabilities, than say a BIM or 3D program that you can get 2D drawings from.  Probably because I haven't been as exposed or my clientele (residential) haven't requested it as much, I haven't had a huge need for 3D renderings, so I am a bit more reluctant to go down that path, but not opposed.  I am getting to a point though where I feel like I might be hitting a ceiling or a limit with DataCAD.  I have a Mac and need to run parallels (virtual OS) to be able to use the program, which isn't the end of the world, but just a small hurdle.  I recently had to go into the Apple Store to get some help as to why my computer seemed to be bogging down.  It shouldn't be with the specs I have, but in doing some digging, it was discovered that DataCAD runs as a 32 bit program in a 64 bit OS.  So I am hitting some huge limitations with a 32-bit program.  This has since got me wondering if I need to explore a different program that is compatible with a Mac or Windows, or just accept that I am going to be limited and there will be times the computer bogs down a bit.

What I am looking for is a program that allows me to create a great set of CD's.  I like the details, I like the notes, I like putting together a complete set that generates as few questions from the contractors once the construction has begun.  I feel as though something like Chief Architect might be more heavy on the 3D side of things and essentially the pretty picture versus the nitty gritty details.  Thats not to say I am wrong and a great set can't be produced from it.  (I haven't had time to dive deep into it or others yet).  But I do want to explore some options and start to stay more up to date.  I know that change will be difficult, and there will be things that are not as easy to do or make sense given the 16+ years I have been doing it.  But I also don't want to be limited if I ever decide to expand and need to hire someone.

Any input is greatly appreciated and I look forward to the comments.

Jason

Thank you all for the insight and recommendations.  I will definitely look into Vectorworks, which was not one that was on my list.  Ideally getting something that is native to the Mac OS is ideal, but not the end of the world.  Revit from what I have found does not appear to be going down that path of developing the program for the Mac.  I do know that AutoCAD LT is available in the Mac OS.  I guess its more trying to figure out is it better to get into BIM or stick with 2D.

I think I have been spoiled with DataCAD in that while you can subscribe, it is not necessary.  So upgrading every couple years for less than $700 is an amazing benefit that I think I will loose if/when I switch.  If the program can run on the Mac side, I save the cost of Parallels, and can put that towards the new application, which helps a bit.  But I am starting to feel like I have been living a bit under rock in terms of what I am missing but also saving.  lol.

Of the programs that are mentioned and the ones that are 3D/BIM, how easy is it to incorporate say an addition to an existing house?  Most if not all of the splashy examples on the websites seem to be more new builds.  I maybe do 1 or 2 new houses a year with the rest of the projects being additions/remodels.  Do you need to measure the whole house, or can you easily manipulate the model to capture what you need.  I am assuming it's no different than when I am in 2D and just capturing say the back 1/3 of the house for say a rear addition.  This might be as someone mentioned just needing to get my head wrapped around thinking a little more 3D than 2D.

I like the idea with BIM that if you shift a window, eliminate a window, or add a window it automatically adds it to the elevations and/or to the window schedule.  To that point, how specific can you get with the window information.  I.e if I am spec'ing Marvin windows, is there a Marvin library that I can pull from that will update the schedule with the correct model number?  Or is it more generic window sizing?  

I am sure as I continue down this path of exploring different programs I will have more questions.  And I appreciate the knowledge that this group has and the feedback it provides.  It's not always easy to make the switch, but I think there are enough resources out there that can guide myself as well as anyone else.  Thank you!

DataCAD!!

You made me young again reading your post. :D

I have learned a bunch of different software along the way (started in 1996 with AutoCAD R12).  I now use Revit and for me it is a good fit.

If you stay with Mac, you will probably do best switching to AutoCAD LT.  It works great with 2D drawings, is fast, can be shared with consultants, contractors, etc.  

If you want to expand your horizons, look into ArchiCAD.  But be forewarned, it is a steep learning curve from 2D and isn't as useful for coordination with consultants.  But it is beautiful to work in.

You didn't mention project size...so I'm assuming you are not doing high-rise or complex projects since nowadays you pretty much have to have Revit to coordinate those projects with others.  If that's the case, again...AutoCAD LT will work great.  

Revit is also a steep learning curve.  I am self-taught - picked it up back in 2006 and at the time nobody was interested in it.  Funny how things have changed.  Taught it as an adjunct faculty at the local college for fun - and have never looked back.  Briefly used ArchiCAD (also self-taught) for 2-3 years, but only for residential work - which is where it really shines.

Best way to learn a new software is to have a client request it or project that requires it - great motivation!

Digging through the forum, someone made a post about 7 years ago with regards to what people are using for a CAD program.  It seemed like a majority were using Revit, with a few AutoCAD's, Chief Architect, and ArchiCAD.

So I have been a DataCAD user for upwards of 16+ years.  It's what the firm I was working at used, and then when I went off on my own, I continued to use it.  Overall I still like the program and what it offers.  I see it more as a 2D program with 3D capabilities, than say a BIM or 3D program that you can get 2D drawings from.  Probably because I haven't been as exposed or my clientele (residential) haven't requested it as much, I haven't had a huge need for 3D renderings, so I am a bit more reluctant to go down that path, but not opposed.  I am getting to a point though where I feel like I might be hitting a ceiling or a limit with DataCAD.  I have a Mac and need to run parallels (virtual OS) to be able to use the program, which isn't the end of the world, but just a small hurdle.  I recently had to go into the Apple Store to get some help as to why my computer seemed to be bogging down.  It shouldn't be with the specs I have, but in doing some digging, it was discovered that DataCAD runs as a 32 bit program in a 64 bit OS.  So I am hitting some huge limitations with a 32-bit program.  This has since got me wondering if I need to explore a different program that is compatible with a Mac or Windows, or just accept that I am going to be limited and there will be times the computer bogs down a bit.

What I am looking for is a program that allows me to create a great set of CD's.  I like the details, I like the notes, I like putting together a complete set that generates as few questions from the contractors once the construction has begun.  I feel as though something like Chief Architect might be more heavy on the 3D side of things and essentially the pretty picture versus the nitty gritty details.  Thats not to say I am wrong and a great set can't be produced from it.  (I haven't had time to dive deep into it or others yet).  But I do want to explore some options and start to stay more up to date.  I know that change will be difficult, and there will be things that are not as easy to do or make sense given the 16+ years I have been doing it.  But I also don't want to be limited if I ever decide to expand and need to hire someone.

Any input is greatly appreciated and I look forward to the comments.

Jason

I do a reasonable amount of remodeling and Revit works well for that.  I'm sure Archicad or other Mac native programs do that as well.  You can more or less model as much as you want - you don't need to model the whole building if you're just remodeling a bathroom.

You can get as specific as you want with the windows (or anything).  It looks like Marvin does have Revit files, but you could set up your own for any manufacturer.  Windows (and pretty much anything) will report whatever parameters you need them to - size, rough opening, egress, tempering, model, etc.  Model numbers would need to be input into the family manually at least once - then any time you put that window in it would report the correct model number.  I wouldn't personally recommend using the manufacturers' models in most cases because they likely won't match your standards, but that's a bit in the weeds, and something you would need to decide for yourself.  A lot of manufacturers' models are very complicated and may have elements that you don't want (trims, etc.)

To that point, Revit is probably going to be the most commonly supported BIM program for manufacturers if you do want to rely on them.  It looks like Marvin has Revit, Archicad, and Chief Architect as BIM options, but it's going to vary widely from one manufacturer to another.

It's definitely not a silver bullet - there are lots of idiosyncrasies in Revit, but for me the benefits far outweigh the drawbacks.  It is a huge change, and will take time.  The first few projects I did in Revit I just had to write off about half of my time as I was learning how to use the program.

Thank you all for the insight and recommendations.  I will definitely look into Vectorworks, which was not one that was on my list.  Ideally getting something that is native to the Mac OS is ideal, but not the end of the world.  Revit from what I have found does not appear to be going down that path of developing the program for the Mac.  I do know that AutoCAD LT is available in the Mac OS.  I guess its more trying to figure out is it better to get into BIM or stick with 2D.

I think I have been spoiled with DataCAD in that while you can subscribe, it is not necessary.  So upgrading every couple years for less than $700 is an amazing benefit that I think I will loose if/when I switch.  If the program can run on the Mac side, I save the cost of Parallels, and can put that towards the new application, which helps a bit.  But I am starting to feel like I have been living a bit under rock in terms of what I am missing but also saving.  lol.

Of the programs that are mentioned and the ones that are 3D/BIM, how easy is it to incorporate say an addition to an existing house?  Most if not all of the splashy examples on the websites seem to be more new builds.  I maybe do 1 or 2 new houses a year with the rest of the projects being additions/remodels.  Do you need to measure the whole house, or can you easily manipulate the model to capture what you need.  I am assuming it's no different than when I am in 2D and just capturing say the back 1/3 of the house for say a rear addition.  This might be as someone mentioned just needing to get my head wrapped around thinking a little more 3D than 2D.

I like the idea with BIM that if you shift a window, eliminate a window, or add a window it automatically adds it to the elevations and/or to the window schedule.  To that point, how specific can you get with the window information.  I.e if I am spec'ing Marvin windows, is there a Marvin library that I can pull from that will update the schedule with the correct model number?  Or is it more generic window sizing?  

I am sure as I continue down this path of exploring different programs I will have more questions.  And I appreciate the knowledge that this group has and the feedback it provides.  It's not always easy to make the switch, but I think there are enough resources out there that can guide myself as well as anyone else.  Thank you!

DataCAD!!

You made me young again reading your post. :D

I have learned a bunch of different software along the way (started in 1996 with AutoCAD R12).  I now use Revit and for me it is a good fit.

If you stay with Mac, you will probably do best switching to AutoCAD LT.  It works great with 2D drawings, is fast, can be shared with consultants, contractors, etc.  

If you want to expand your horizons, look into ArchiCAD.  But be forewarned, it is a steep learning curve from 2D and isn't as useful for coordination with consultants.  But it is beautiful to work in.

You didn't mention project size...so I'm assuming you are not doing high-rise or complex projects since nowadays you pretty much have to have Revit to coordinate those projects with others.  If that's the case, again...AutoCAD LT will work great.  

Revit is also a steep learning curve.  I am self-taught - picked it up back in 2006 and at the time nobody was interested in it.  Funny how things have changed.  Taught it as an adjunct faculty at the local college for fun - and have never looked back.  Briefly used ArchiCAD (also self-taught) for 2-3 years, but only for residential work - which is where it really shines.

Best way to learn a new software is to have a client request it or project that requires it - great motivation!

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Daniel Koster AIA
Benchmark Group
Rogers AR

Original Message:
Sent: 12-20-2023 10:55 AM
From: Jason Hoppe Assoc. AIA
Subject: Exploring a new CAD program

Digging through the forum, someone made a post about 7 years ago with regards to what people are using for a CAD program.  It seemed like a majority were using Revit, with a few AutoCAD's, Chief Architect, and ArchiCAD.

So I have been a DataCAD user for upwards of 16+ years.  It's what the firm I was working at used, and then when I went off on my own, I continued to use it.  Overall I still like the program and what it offers.  I see it more as a 2D program with 3D capabilities, than say a BIM or 3D program that you can get 2D drawings from.  Probably because I haven't been as exposed or my clientele (residential) haven't requested it as much, I haven't had a huge need for 3D renderings, so I am a bit more reluctant to go down that path, but not opposed.  I am getting to a point though where I feel like I might be hitting a ceiling or a limit with DataCAD.  I have a Mac and need to run parallels (virtual OS) to be able to use the program, which isn't the end of the world, but just a small hurdle.  I recently had to go into the Apple Store to get some help as to why my computer seemed to be bogging down.  It shouldn't be with the specs I have, but in doing some digging, it was discovered that DataCAD runs as a 32 bit program in a 64 bit OS.  So I am hitting some huge limitations with a 32-bit program.  This has since got me wondering if I need to explore a different program that is compatible with a Mac or Windows, or just accept that I am going to be limited and there will be times the computer bogs down a bit.

What I am looking for is a program that allows me to create a great set of CD's.  I like the details, I like the notes, I like putting together a complete set that generates as few questions from the contractors once the construction has begun.  I feel as though something like Chief Architect might be more heavy on the 3D side of things and essentially the pretty picture versus the nitty gritty details.  Thats not to say I am wrong and a great set can't be produced from it.  (I haven't had time to dive deep into it or others yet).  But I do want to explore some options and start to stay more up to date.  I know that change will be difficult, and there will be things that are not as easy to do or make sense given the 16+ years I have been doing it.  But I also don't want to be limited if I ever decide to expand and need to hire someone.

Any input is greatly appreciated and I look forward to the comments.

Jason

Digging through the forum, someone made a post about 7 years ago with regards to what people are using for a CAD program.  It seemed like a majority were using Revit, with a few AutoCAD's, Chief Architect, and ArchiCAD.

So I have been a DataCAD user for upwards of 16+ years.  It's what the firm I was working at used, and then when I went off on my own, I continued to use it.  Overall I still like the program and what it offers.  I see it more as a 2D program with 3D capabilities, than say a BIM or 3D program that you can get 2D drawings from.  Probably because I haven't been as exposed or my clientele (residential) haven't requested it as much, I haven't had a huge need for 3D renderings, so I am a bit more reluctant to go down that path, but not opposed.  I am getting to a point though where I feel like I might be hitting a ceiling or a limit with DataCAD.  I have a Mac and need to run parallels (virtual OS) to be able to use the program, which isn't the end of the world, but just a small hurdle.  I recently had to go into the Apple Store to get some help as to why my computer seemed to be bogging down.  It shouldn't be with the specs I have, but in doing some digging, it was discovered that DataCAD runs as a 32 bit program in a 64 bit OS.  So I am hitting some huge limitations with a 32-bit program.  This has since got me wondering if I need to explore a different program that is compatible with a Mac or Windows, or just accept that I am going to be limited and there will be times the computer bogs down a bit.

What I am looking for is a program that allows me to create a great set of CD's.  I like the details, I like the notes, I like putting together a complete set that generates as few questions from the contractors once the construction has begun.  I feel as though something like Chief Architect might be more heavy on the 3D side of things and essentially the pretty picture versus the nitty gritty details.  Thats not to say I am wrong and a great set can't be produced from it.  (I haven't had time to dive deep into it or others yet).  But I do want to explore some options and start to stay more up to date.  I know that change will be difficult, and there will be things that are not as easy to do or make sense given the 16+ years I have been doing it.  But I also don't want to be limited if I ever decide to expand and need to hire someone.

Any input is greatly appreciated and I look forward to the comments.

Jason

Jason, 

I second the vote for ArchiCAD.  I started using it after I began working our all Mac office 23 years ago. At that time, I was using AutoCAD in PC offices and started to dabble with Architectural Desktop (one atrocious 3D app) at that time.  I had to learn the MacOS environment and I had to learn to model (instead of draw) on the computer.  But we've all built models in school, so the only difference was learning house to use the computer as a tool. Any learning curve was completely worth it. 

As previously mentioned, you build the model as much as needed. But our clients are sold on the model and its capabilities.   If we need a pretty picture, the model can make one.  If we want to do a VR walkthrough, the model is ready.  So even on a remodel, we build as much of the existing house as needed to convey the design. Then when it comes to Construction Documents we have much less information we need to add to 2D drawings because we just pull it from the model.  You do have to find a balance as to how much information you input, but that goes for drawing in 2D or by hand as well.   My boss still designs with pencil and paper. But the model's built as soon as those first sketches are finished.
Our office only does residential work but from remodels to new builds, and ArchiCAD works.  And you keep the MacOS and all of the benefits of that ecosystem. We're on the subscription from Graphisoft for ArchiCAD but they still sell stand alone licenses as well (for now).  Our yearly tab is less than $1000/seat because we don't use all of the bells & whistles offered.  They also have an iOS app (BIMx) that clients can use for free to view (not edit) the model of their house on their own time. 

And on interoperability, we have no problems. Our consultants get DWGs exported from ArchiCAD and use whatever software they're familiar with.  Every office has different uses for their CAD/BIM software so it's not been worth our time to establish a full "shared" BIM with other consultants on our projects.  If you want to go down that path, ArchiCAD will work with Revit and other programs out there.  I just haven't had to do it.

We have our issues with ArchiCAD, but overall the ability to convey our designs clearly and thoroughly with a model from ArchiCAD in a fully-supported MacOS is worth every penny.

Joel

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Joel Smith AIA
Noel Cross+Architects
San Francisco CA
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Original Message:
Sent: 12-20-2023 10:55 AM
From: Jason Hoppe Assoc. AIA
Subject: Exploring a new CAD program

Digging through the forum, someone made a post about 7 years ago with regards to what people are using for a CAD program.  It seemed like a majority were using Revit, with a few AutoCAD's, Chief Architect, and ArchiCAD.

So I have been a DataCAD user for upwards of 16+ years.  It's what the firm I was working at used, and then when I went off on my own, I continued to use it.  Overall I still like the program and what it offers.  I see it more as a 2D program with 3D capabilities, than say a BIM or 3D program that you can get 2D drawings from.  Probably because I haven't been as exposed or my clientele (residential) haven't requested it as much, I haven't had a huge need for 3D renderings, so I am a bit more reluctant to go down that path, but not opposed.  I am getting to a point though where I feel like I might be hitting a ceiling or a limit with DataCAD.  I have a Mac and need to run parallels (virtual OS) to be able to use the program, which isn't the end of the world, but just a small hurdle.  I recently had to go into the Apple Store to get some help as to why my computer seemed to be bogging down.  It shouldn't be with the specs I have, but in doing some digging, it was discovered that DataCAD runs as a 32 bit program in a 64 bit OS.  So I am hitting some huge limitations with a 32-bit program.  This has since got me wondering if I need to explore a different program that is compatible with a Mac or Windows, or just accept that I am going to be limited and there will be times the computer bogs down a bit.

What I am looking for is a program that allows me to create a great set of CD's.  I like the details, I like the notes, I like putting together a complete set that generates as few questions from the contractors once the construction has begun.  I feel as though something like Chief Architect might be more heavy on the 3D side of things and essentially the pretty picture versus the nitty gritty details.  Thats not to say I am wrong and a great set can't be produced from it.  (I haven't had time to dive deep into it or others yet).  But I do want to explore some options and start to stay more up to date.  I know that change will be difficult, and there will be things that are not as easy to do or make sense given the 16+ years I have been doing it.  But I also don't want to be limited if I ever decide to expand and need to hire someone.

Any input is greatly appreciated and I look forward to the comments.

Jason

Jason, 

I second the vote for ArchiCAD.  I started using it after I began working our all Mac office 23 years ago. At that time, I was using AutoCAD in PC offices and started to dabble with Architectural Desktop (one atrocious 3D app) at that time.  I had to learn the MacOS environment and I had to learn to model (instead of draw) on the computer.  But we've all built models in school, so the only difference was learning house to use the computer as a tool. Any learning curve was completely worth it. 

As previously mentioned, you build the model as much as needed. But our clients are sold on the model and its capabilities.   If we need a pretty picture, the model can make one.  If we want to do a VR walkthrough, the model is ready.  So even on a remodel, we build as much of the existing house as needed to convey the design. Then when it comes to Construction Documents we have much less information we need to add to 2D drawings because we just pull it from the model.  You do have to find a balance as to how much information you input, but that goes for drawing in 2D or by hand as well.   My boss still designs with pencil and paper. But the model's built as soon as those first sketches are finished.
Our office only does residential work but from remodels to new builds, and ArchiCAD works.  And you keep the MacOS and all of the benefits of that ecosystem. We're on the subscription from Graphisoft for ArchiCAD but they still sell stand alone licenses as well (for now).  Our yearly tab is less than $1000/seat because we don't use all of the bells & whistles offered.  They also have an iOS app (BIMx) that clients can use for free to view (not edit) the model of their house on their own time. 

And on interoperability, we have no problems. Our consultants get DWGs exported from ArchiCAD and use whatever software they're familiar with.  Every office has different uses for their CAD/BIM software so it's not been worth our time to establish a full "shared" BIM with other consultants on our projects.  If you want to go down that path, ArchiCAD will work with Revit and other programs out there.  I just haven't had to do it.

We have our issues with ArchiCAD, but overall the ability to convey our designs clearly and thoroughly with a model from ArchiCAD in a fully-supported MacOS is worth every penny.

Joel

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Joel Smith AIA
Noel Cross+Architects
San Francisco CA
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 12-20-2023 10:55 AM
From: Jason Hoppe Assoc. AIA
Subject: Exploring a new CAD program

Digging through the forum, someone made a post about 7 years ago with regards to what people are using for a CAD program.  It seemed like a majority were using Revit, with a few AutoCAD's, Chief Architect, and ArchiCAD.

So I have been a DataCAD user for upwards of 16+ years.  It's what the firm I was working at used, and then when I went off on my own, I continued to use it.  Overall I still like the program and what it offers.  I see it more as a 2D program with 3D capabilities, than say a BIM or 3D program that you can get 2D drawings from.  Probably because I haven't been as exposed or my clientele (residential) haven't requested it as much, I haven't had a huge need for 3D renderings, so I am a bit more reluctant to go down that path, but not opposed.  I am getting to a point though where I feel like I might be hitting a ceiling or a limit with DataCAD.  I have a Mac and need to run parallels (virtual OS) to be able to use the program, which isn't the end of the world, but just a small hurdle.  I recently had to go into the Apple Store to get some help as to why my computer seemed to be bogging down.  It shouldn't be with the specs I have, but in doing some digging, it was discovered that DataCAD runs as a 32 bit program in a 64 bit OS.  So I am hitting some huge limitations with a 32-bit program.  This has since got me wondering if I need to explore a different program that is compatible with a Mac or Windows, or just accept that I am going to be limited and there will be times the computer bogs down a bit.

What I am looking for is a program that allows me to create a great set of CD's.  I like the details, I like the notes, I like putting together a complete set that generates as few questions from the contractors once the construction has begun.  I feel as though something like Chief Architect might be more heavy on the 3D side of things and essentially the pretty picture versus the nitty gritty details.  Thats not to say I am wrong and a great set can't be produced from it.  (I haven't had time to dive deep into it or others yet).  But I do want to explore some options and start to stay more up to date.  I know that change will be difficult, and there will be things that are not as easy to do or make sense given the 16+ years I have been doing it.  But I also don't want to be limited if I ever decide to expand and need to hire someone.

Any input is greatly appreciated and I look forward to the comments.

Jason

Jason, 

I second the vote for ArchiCAD.  I started using it after I began working our all Mac office 23 years ago. At that time, I was using AutoCAD in PC offices and started to dabble with Architectural Desktop (one atrocious 3D app) at that time.  I had to learn the MacOS environment and I had to learn to model (instead of draw) on the computer.  But we've all built models in school, so the only difference was learning house to use the computer as a tool. Any learning curve was completely worth it. 

As previously mentioned, you build the model as much as needed. But our clients are sold on the model and its capabilities.   If we need a pretty picture, the model can make one.  If we want to do a VR walkthrough, the model is ready.  So even on a remodel, we build as much of the existing house as needed to convey the design. Then when it comes to Construction Documents we have much less information we need to add to 2D drawings because we just pull it from the model.  You do have to find a balance as to how much information you input, but that goes for drawing in 2D or by hand as well.   My boss still designs with pencil and paper. But the model's built as soon as those first sketches are finished.
Our office only does residential work but from remodels to new builds, and ArchiCAD works.  And you keep the MacOS and all of the benefits of that ecosystem. We're on the subscription from Graphisoft for ArchiCAD but they still sell stand alone licenses as well (for now).  Our yearly tab is less than $1000/seat because we don't use all of the bells & whistles offered.  They also have an iOS app (BIMx) that clients can use for free to view (not edit) the model of their house on their own time. 

And on interoperability, we have no problems. Our consultants get DWGs exported from ArchiCAD and use whatever software they're familiar with.  Every office has different uses for their CAD/BIM software so it's not been worth our time to establish a full "shared" BIM with other consultants on our projects.  If you want to go down that path, ArchiCAD will work with Revit and other programs out there.  I just haven't had to do it.

We have our issues with ArchiCAD, but overall the ability to convey our designs clearly and thoroughly with a model from ArchiCAD in a fully-supported MacOS is worth every penny.

Joel

------------------------------
Joel Smith AIA
Noel Cross+Architects
San Francisco CA
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 12-20-2023 10:55 AM
From: Jason Hoppe Assoc. AIA
Subject: Exploring a new CAD program

Digging through the forum, someone made a post about 7 years ago with regards to what people are using for a CAD program.  It seemed like a majority were using Revit, with a few AutoCAD's, Chief Architect, and ArchiCAD.

So I have been a DataCAD user for upwards of 16+ years.  It's what the firm I was working at used, and then when I went off on my own, I continued to use it.  Overall I still like the program and what it offers.  I see it more as a 2D program with 3D capabilities, than say a BIM or 3D program that you can get 2D drawings from.  Probably because I haven't been as exposed or my clientele (residential) haven't requested it as much, I haven't had a huge need for 3D renderings, so I am a bit more reluctant to go down that path, but not opposed.  I am getting to a point though where I feel like I might be hitting a ceiling or a limit with DataCAD.  I have a Mac and need to run parallels (virtual OS) to be able to use the program, which isn't the end of the world, but just a small hurdle.  I recently had to go into the Apple Store to get some help as to why my computer seemed to be bogging down.  It shouldn't be with the specs I have, but in doing some digging, it was discovered that DataCAD runs as a 32 bit program in a 64 bit OS.  So I am hitting some huge limitations with a 32-bit program.  This has since got me wondering if I need to explore a different program that is compatible with a Mac or Windows, or just accept that I am going to be limited and there will be times the computer bogs down a bit.

What I am looking for is a program that allows me to create a great set of CD's.  I like the details, I like the notes, I like putting together a complete set that generates as few questions from the contractors once the construction has begun.  I feel as though something like Chief Architect might be more heavy on the 3D side of things and essentially the pretty picture versus the nitty gritty details.  Thats not to say I am wrong and a great set can't be produced from it.  (I haven't had time to dive deep into it or others yet).  But I do want to explore some options and start to stay more up to date.  I know that change will be difficult, and there will be things that are not as easy to do or make sense given the 16+ years I have been doing it.  But I also don't want to be limited if I ever decide to expand and need to hire someone.

Any input is greatly appreciated and I look forward to the comments.

Jason

Jason, 

I second the vote for ArchiCAD.  I started using it after I began working our all Mac office 23 years ago. At that time, I was using AutoCAD in PC offices and started to dabble with Architectural Desktop (one atrocious 3D app) at that time.  I had to learn the MacOS environment and I had to learn to model (instead of draw) on the computer.  But we've all built models in school, so the only difference was learning house to use the computer as a tool. Any learning curve was completely worth it. 

As previously mentioned, you build the model as much as needed. But our clients are sold on the model and its capabilities.   If we need a pretty picture, the model can make one.  If we want to do a VR walkthrough, the model is ready.  So even on a remodel, we build as much of the existing house as needed to convey the design. Then when it comes to Construction Documents we have much less information we need to add to 2D drawings because we just pull it from the model.  You do have to find a balance as to how much information you input, but that goes for drawing in 2D or by hand as well.   My boss still designs with pencil and paper. But the model's built as soon as those first sketches are finished.
Our office only does residential work but from remodels to new builds, and ArchiCAD works.  And you keep the MacOS and all of the benefits of that ecosystem. We're on the subscription from Graphisoft for ArchiCAD but they still sell stand alone licenses as well (for now).  Our yearly tab is less than $1000/seat because we don't use all of the bells & whistles offered.  They also have an iOS app (BIMx) that clients can use for free to view (not edit) the model of their house on their own time. 

And on interoperability, we have no problems. Our consultants get DWGs exported from ArchiCAD and use whatever software they're familiar with.  Every office has different uses for their CAD/BIM software so it's not been worth our time to establish a full "shared" BIM with other consultants on our projects.  If you want to go down that path, ArchiCAD will work with Revit and other programs out there.  I just haven't had to do it.

We have our issues with ArchiCAD, but overall the ability to convey our designs clearly and thoroughly with a model from ArchiCAD in a fully-supported MacOS is worth every penny.

Joel

------------------------------
Joel Smith AIA
Noel Cross+Architects
San Francisco CA

Original Message:
Sent: 12-20-2023 10:55 AM
From: Jason Hoppe Assoc. AIA
Subject: Exploring a new CAD program

Digging through the forum, someone made a post about 7 years ago with regards to what people are using for a CAD program.  It seemed like a majority were using Revit, with a few AutoCAD's, Chief Architect, and ArchiCAD.

So I have been a DataCAD user for upwards of 16+ years.  It's what the firm I was working at used, and then when I went off on my own, I continued to use it.  Overall I still like the program and what it offers.  I see it more as a 2D program with 3D capabilities, than say a BIM or 3D program that you can get 2D drawings from.  Probably because I haven't been as exposed or my clientele (residential) haven't requested it as much, I haven't had a huge need for 3D renderings, so I am a bit more reluctant to go down that path, but not opposed.  I am getting to a point though where I feel like I might be hitting a ceiling or a limit with DataCAD.  I have a Mac and need to run parallels (virtual OS) to be able to use the program, which isn't the end of the world, but just a small hurdle.  I recently had to go into the Apple Store to get some help as to why my computer seemed to be bogging down.  It shouldn't be with the specs I have, but in doing some digging, it was discovered that DataCAD runs as a 32 bit program in a 64 bit OS.  So I am hitting some huge limitations with a 32-bit program.  This has since got me wondering if I need to explore a different program that is compatible with a Mac or Windows, or just accept that I am going to be limited and there will be times the computer bogs down a bit.

What I am looking for is a program that allows me to create a great set of CD's.  I like the details, I like the notes, I like putting together a complete set that generates as few questions from the contractors once the construction has begun.  I feel as though something like Chief Architect might be more heavy on the 3D side of things and essentially the pretty picture versus the nitty gritty details.  Thats not to say I am wrong and a great set can't be produced from it.  (I haven't had time to dive deep into it or others yet).  But I do want to explore some options and start to stay more up to date.  I know that change will be difficult, and there will be things that are not as easy to do or make sense given the 16+ years I have been doing it.  But I also don't want to be limited if I ever decide to expand and need to hire someone.

Any input is greatly appreciated and I look forward to the comments.

Jason

Jason, 

I second the vote for ArchiCAD.  I started using it after I began working our all Mac office 23 years ago. At that time, I was using AutoCAD in PC offices and started to dabble with Architectural Desktop (one atrocious 3D app) at that time.  I had to learn the MacOS environment and I had to learn to model (instead of draw) on the computer.  But we've all built models in school, so the only difference was learning house to use the computer as a tool. Any learning curve was completely worth it. 

As previously mentioned, you build the model as much as needed. But our clients are sold on the model and its capabilities.   If we need a pretty picture, the model can make one.  If we want to do a VR walkthrough, the model is ready.  So even on a remodel, we build as much of the existing house as needed to convey the design. Then when it comes to Construction Documents we have much less information we need to add to 2D drawings because we just pull it from the model.  You do have to find a balance as to how much information you input, but that goes for drawing in 2D or by hand as well.   My boss still designs with pencil and paper. But the model's built as soon as those first sketches are finished.
Our office only does residential work but from remodels to new builds, and ArchiCAD works.  And you keep the MacOS and all of the benefits of that ecosystem. We're on the subscription from Graphisoft for ArchiCAD but they still sell stand alone licenses as well (for now).  Our yearly tab is less than $1000/seat because we don't use all of the bells & whistles offered.  They also have an iOS app (BIMx) that clients can use for free to view (not edit) the model of their house on their own time. 

And on interoperability, we have no problems. Our consultants get DWGs exported from ArchiCAD and use whatever software they're familiar with.  Every office has different uses for their CAD/BIM software so it's not been worth our time to establish a full "shared" BIM with other consultants on our projects.  If you want to go down that path, ArchiCAD will work with Revit and other programs out there.  I just haven't had to do it.

We have our issues with ArchiCAD, but overall the ability to convey our designs clearly and thoroughly with a model from ArchiCAD in a fully-supported MacOS is worth every penny.

Joel

------------------------------
Joel Smith AIA
Noel Cross+Architects
San Francisco CA

Original Message:
Sent: 12-20-2023 10:55 AM
From: Jason Hoppe Assoc. AIA
Subject: Exploring a new CAD program

Digging through the forum, someone made a post about 7 years ago with regards to what people are using for a CAD program.  It seemed like a majority were using Revit, with a few AutoCAD's, Chief Architect, and ArchiCAD.

So I have been a DataCAD user for upwards of 16+ years.  It's what the firm I was working at used, and then when I went off on my own, I continued to use it.  Overall I still like the program and what it offers.  I see it more as a 2D program with 3D capabilities, than say a BIM or 3D program that you can get 2D drawings from.  Probably because I haven't been as exposed or my clientele (residential) haven't requested it as much, I haven't had a huge need for 3D renderings, so I am a bit more reluctant to go down that path, but not opposed.  I am getting to a point though where I feel like I might be hitting a ceiling or a limit with DataCAD.  I have a Mac and need to run parallels (virtual OS) to be able to use the program, which isn't the end of the world, but just a small hurdle.  I recently had to go into the Apple Store to get some help as to why my computer seemed to be bogging down.  It shouldn't be with the specs I have, but in doing some digging, it was discovered that DataCAD runs as a 32 bit program in a 64 bit OS.  So I am hitting some huge limitations with a 32-bit program.  This has since got me wondering if I need to explore a different program that is compatible with a Mac or Windows, or just accept that I am going to be limited and there will be times the computer bogs down a bit.

What I am looking for is a program that allows me to create a great set of CD's.  I like the details, I like the notes, I like putting together a complete set that generates as few questions from the contractors once the construction has begun.  I feel as though something like Chief Architect might be more heavy on the 3D side of things and essentially the pretty picture versus the nitty gritty details.  Thats not to say I am wrong and a great set can't be produced from it.  (I haven't had time to dive deep into it or others yet).  But I do want to explore some options and start to stay more up to date.  I know that change will be difficult, and there will be things that are not as easy to do or make sense given the 16+ years I have been doing it.  But I also don't want to be limited if I ever decide to expand and need to hire someone.

Any input is greatly appreciated and I look forward to the comments.

Jason

Digging through the forum, someone made a post about 7 years ago with regards to what people are using for a CAD program.  It seemed like a majority were using Revit, with a few AutoCAD's, Chief Architect, and ArchiCAD.

So I have been a DataCAD user for upwards of 16+ years.  It's what the firm I was working at used, and then when I went off on my own, I continued to use it.  Overall I still like the program and what it offers.  I see it more as a 2D program with 3D capabilities, than say a BIM or 3D program that you can get 2D drawings from.  Probably because I haven't been as exposed or my clientele (residential) haven't requested it as much, I haven't had a huge need for 3D renderings, so I am a bit more reluctant to go down that path, but not opposed.  I am getting to a point though where I feel like I might be hitting a ceiling or a limit with DataCAD.  I have a Mac and need to run parallels (virtual OS) to be able to use the program, which isn't the end of the world, but just a small hurdle.  I recently had to go into the Apple Store to get some help as to why my computer seemed to be bogging down.  It shouldn't be with the specs I have, but in doing some digging, it was discovered that DataCAD runs as a 32 bit program in a 64 bit OS.  So I am hitting some huge limitations with a 32-bit program.  This has since got me wondering if I need to explore a different program that is compatible with a Mac or Windows, or just accept that I am going to be limited and there will be times the computer bogs down a bit.

What I am looking for is a program that allows me to create a great set of CD's.  I like the details, I like the notes, I like putting together a complete set that generates as few questions from the contractors once the construction has begun.  I feel as though something like Chief Architect might be more heavy on the 3D side of things and essentially the pretty picture versus the nitty gritty details.  Thats not to say I am wrong and a great set can't be produced from it.  (I haven't had time to dive deep into it or others yet).  But I do want to explore some options and start to stay more up to date.  I know that change will be difficult, and there will be things that are not as easy to do or make sense given the 16+ years I have been doing it.  But I also don't want to be limited if I ever decide to expand and need to hire someone.

Any input is greatly appreciated and I look forward to the comments.

Jason

Digging through the forum, someone made a post about 7 years ago with regards to what people are using for a CAD program.  It seemed like a majority were using Revit, with a few AutoCAD's, Chief Architect, and ArchiCAD.

So I have been a DataCAD user for upwards of 16+ years.  It's what the firm I was working at used, and then when I went off on my own, I continued to use it.  Overall I still like the program and what it offers.  I see it more as a 2D program with 3D capabilities, than say a BIM or 3D program that you can get 2D drawings from.  Probably because I haven't been as exposed or my clientele (residential) haven't requested it as much, I haven't had a huge need for 3D renderings, so I am a bit more reluctant to go down that path, but not opposed.  I am getting to a point though where I feel like I might be hitting a ceiling or a limit with DataCAD.  I have a Mac and need to run parallels (virtual OS) to be able to use the program, which isn't the end of the world, but just a small hurdle.  I recently had to go into the Apple Store to get some help as to why my computer seemed to be bogging down.  It shouldn't be with the specs I have, but in doing some digging, it was discovered that DataCAD runs as a 32 bit program in a 64 bit OS.  So I am hitting some huge limitations with a 32-bit program.  This has since got me wondering if I need to explore a different program that is compatible with a Mac or Windows, or just accept that I am going to be limited and there will be times the computer bogs down a bit.

What I am looking for is a program that allows me to create a great set of CD's.  I like the details, I like the notes, I like putting together a complete set that generates as few questions from the contractors once the construction has begun.  I feel as though something like Chief Architect might be more heavy on the 3D side of things and essentially the pretty picture versus the nitty gritty details.  Thats not to say I am wrong and a great set can't be produced from it.  (I haven't had time to dive deep into it or others yet).  But I do want to explore some options and start to stay more up to date.  I know that change will be difficult, and there will be things that are not as easy to do or make sense given the 16+ years I have been doing it.  But I also don't want to be limited if I ever decide to expand and need to hire someone.

Any input is greatly appreciated and I look forward to the comments.

Jason

Digging through the forum, someone made a post about 7 years ago with regards to what people are using for a CAD program.  It seemed like a majority were using Revit, with a few AutoCAD's, Chief Architect, and ArchiCAD.

So I have been a DataCAD user for upwards of 16+ years.  It's what the firm I was working at used, and then when I went off on my own, I continued to use it.  Overall I still like the program and what it offers.  I see it more as a 2D program with 3D capabilities, than say a BIM or 3D program that you can get 2D drawings from.  Probably because I haven't been as exposed or my clientele (residential) haven't requested it as much, I haven't had a huge need for 3D renderings, so I am a bit more reluctant to go down that path, but not opposed.  I am getting to a point though where I feel like I might be hitting a ceiling or a limit with DataCAD.  I have a Mac and need to run parallels (virtual OS) to be able to use the program, which isn't the end of the world, but just a small hurdle.  I recently had to go into the Apple Store to get some help as to why my computer seemed to be bogging down.  It shouldn't be with the specs I have, but in doing some digging, it was discovered that DataCAD runs as a 32 bit program in a 64 bit OS.  So I am hitting some huge limitations with a 32-bit program.  This has since got me wondering if I need to explore a different program that is compatible with a Mac or Windows, or just accept that I am going to be limited and there will be times the computer bogs down a bit.

What I am looking for is a program that allows me to create a great set of CD's.  I like the details, I like the notes, I like putting together a complete set that generates as few questions from the contractors once the construction has begun.  I feel as though something like Chief Architect might be more heavy on the 3D side of things and essentially the pretty picture versus the nitty gritty details.  Thats not to say I am wrong and a great set can't be produced from it.  (I haven't had time to dive deep into it or others yet).  But I do want to explore some options and start to stay more up to date.  I know that change will be difficult, and there will be things that are not as easy to do or make sense given the 16+ years I have been doing it.  But I also don't want to be limited if I ever decide to expand and need to hire someone.

Any input is greatly appreciated and I look forward to the comments.

Jason

Digging through the forum, someone made a post about 7 years ago with regards to what people are using for a CAD program.  It seemed like a majority were using Revit, with a few AutoCAD's, Chief Architect, and ArchiCAD.

So I have been a DataCAD user for upwards of 16+ years.  It's what the firm I was working at used, and then when I went off on my own, I continued to use it.  Overall I still like the program and what it offers.  I see it more as a 2D program with 3D capabilities, than say a BIM or 3D program that you can get 2D drawings from.  Probably because I haven't been as exposed or my clientele (residential) haven't requested it as much, I haven't had a huge need for 3D renderings, so I am a bit more reluctant to go down that path, but not opposed.  I am getting to a point though where I feel like I might be hitting a ceiling or a limit with DataCAD.  I have a Mac and need to run parallels (virtual OS) to be able to use the program, which isn't the end of the world, but just a small hurdle.  I recently had to go into the Apple Store to get some help as to why my computer seemed to be bogging down.  It shouldn't be with the specs I have, but in doing some digging, it was discovered that DataCAD runs as a 32 bit program in a 64 bit OS.  So I am hitting some huge limitations with a 32-bit program.  This has since got me wondering if I need to explore a different program that is compatible with a Mac or Windows, or just accept that I am going to be limited and there will be times the computer bogs down a bit.

What I am looking for is a program that allows me to create a great set of CD's.  I like the details, I like the notes, I like putting together a complete set that generates as few questions from the contractors once the construction has begun.  I feel as though something like Chief Architect might be more heavy on the 3D side of things and essentially the pretty picture versus the nitty gritty details.  Thats not to say I am wrong and a great set can't be produced from it.  (I haven't had time to dive deep into it or others yet).  But I do want to explore some options and start to stay more up to date.  I know that change will be difficult, and there will be things that are not as easy to do or make sense given the 16+ years I have been doing it.  But I also don't want to be limited if I ever decide to expand and need to hire someone.

Any input is greatly appreciated and I look forward to the comments.

Jason