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  • 1.  Using online Document Control software: whose system should we use?

    Posted 12-08-2023 12:43 PM

    The use of online Document Control (DC) applications to tackle the massive amount of information associated with the CA phase of a project has been a common practice for many years.  This, however, has taken place in a variety of forms, each with its pros and cons.  This post intends to survey the most popular of these formats and query the members of the community on their preferences and the reasons for them.

    In principle, any one or more of the three parties (Owner, A/E, Builder) associated with a construction contract may own the DC app.    

    Owner owns the DC app: Many large institutions with large construction programs prefer this option in order to keep all their projects in a single, permanent location.

    • Pros: Owner pays for the use of the app.
    • Cons: A/E does not have control of the data, however, Owner is likely to enforce "fair use" rules from all parties, contributing to a somewhat equitable record.  Owner can cut the A/E off in case of a dispute, however, this is rare (Note: some DC apps vow to now allow this).  The A/E cannot conduct enterprise-wide performance analysis (data mining) because the data is scattered across projects and clients.

    Builder owns the DC app:  This is the most common situation.  The builder requires that everybody (owner, A/E, subcontractors, etc.) operate and fill-in information on their app.

    • Pros: Builder pays for the use of the app.  Cost is passed on to the Owner, either in the price of the contract, or as part of the General Conditions.
    • Cons: A/E does not have control of the data, which can lead to disputes about the integrity of same (e.g.: dates of closure of RFI's).  The A/E cannot conduct enterprise-wide performance analysis (data mining) because the data is scattered across projects and clients.

    A/E owns the DC app: This is quite uncommon across the profession, but more popular with larger firms

    • Pros: A/E owns the data, and can make sure that it is accurate. A/E can conduct enterprise-wide performance analysis (data mining) to asses areas of concern and anticipate problems.  A/E can use the power of the app to standardize documents produced by the firm, providing consistency in content and appearance.  The DC apps tend to have capabilities beyond CA (e.g.: BIM and drawing management) that can be helpful to the project team since the very beginning of the project. 
    • Cons: Cost is substantial, but it can be passed on to the Owner as a reimbursable, just as the Builder does.  

    When the Owner owns the system, both builders and A/E's acquiesce to its use.  The builder would typically NOT relinquish the use of its own DC app, since the rest of the projects in the firm are in that system, so they end up double-logging the information (first in the Owner's system and then in their own system).  If the A/E has its own DC app in house, the A/E ends up double logging as well, with the consequential cost (these costs should be considered when preparing the A/E fee, and passed on to the Owner, just like the Builder does).

    How do we resolve the conflicting agendas here?  Do you find yourself arguing with the builder about the data in the system, to which you do not have control?  If you end up in a dispute, and you don't have quick access to your own data, how would you argue in your own behalf?  Has the builder or Owner cut you off from accessing the data?  Would you want to know, at an enterprise level, who in your firm or your subs have submittals and RFI's that are due today?  Do you create your CA documents (CPR's, Bulletins, ASI's, CCD's, Meeting Minutes, Field Visit Reports, Punch Lists, etc.) in a separate document creation software (Word?) and post them to the app, or do you use the app to create these documents?  If you use Word, do you find that the appearance of the documents is not consistent across your firm?  If you use your own DC app, have you been successful in passing its cost to the Owner, just as the Builder does?  If  you have an in-house enterprise-wide DC app, do you use it to monitor performance and drive improvement?

    Please post your answers, we are all interested in seeing how this important aspect of the CA phase of our projects are being handled.



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    Gustavo Lima AIA, MRAIC, CCCA, DBIA, LEED AP
    Gustavo A. Lima Architecture, PC
    Buffalo, NY
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  • 2.  RE: Using online Document Control software: whose system should we use?

    Posted 12-11-2023 05:50 PM

    Gustavo,

    Excellent article and well-considered. As a small firm, it is most common that the contractor hosts the app which is typically Procore. We have no issues with using their app; however, we also perform the following:

    • Maintain our own copies of all documentation on our server in our Project files.
    • Download, edit, and mark-up documents using our own software (typically Bluebeam for pdfs), and then upload reviewed documents to the DC software. We also lock or flatten all PDF documents prior to uploading.
    • Never send editable documents (although we understand there is software available to unlock any document). This is the reason we maintain our own "official" copy.
    • Require the Contractor to add our review language to the pull-down menus as, for submittals, we prefer the term "reviewed" over the term "approved."

     

    The one thing that I do not like is that there typically is no back channel for private distribution of documents between our office and our consultants.  I do not want our consultant to post responses to RFIs, submittal reviews, or other matters prior to our having reviewed same. Therefore, we handle communications with our consultants via email, outside of the DC software. Our consultants are permitted to review and download documents directly from the DC software.

     

    Kindest regards,

    Mark

     

    Mark I. Baum, Architect, AIA

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  • 3.  RE: Using online Document Control software: whose system should we use?

    Posted 12-13-2023 05:33 PM
    Great inputs.  There are multiple document management options and they are all manageable. I found the challenge for my team was the double entry into the owner or contractors system and reentry into our corporate platform.  Our QA/QC policy required that our projects be entered into our system on our servers. The requirement is in our QA/QC written policy. 

    The double entry requirement burned many hours in our fee.  I would increase the project management line in our fee projection formula. The increase would depend on whether we would be using an application we are familiar with or one we would need to get training.  The most time consuming owner system we used was eBuilder.  We had to get training for staff that worked on the platform - another bur of hours.

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  • 4.  RE: Using online Document Control software: whose system should we use?

    Posted 12-13-2023 06:10 PM
    One alternative to the double logging:
    - we tell the contractor that HE can log the documents in OUR system when he wants to send us something, and that WE will log them into HIS system when they go back.  If he doesn't want to do that, then we are not login anything in his system:  everything comes out of ours via e-mail.

    Alas, this doesn't work for the Owner.  However, if the Owner did not tell us that we would have to log everything in his system before we provided our fee, then doing so is an additional service.

    E-Builder is indeed onerous.  Procore is probably the most intuitive and comprehensive. 

    Gustavo A. Lima, AIA, MRAIC, DBIA, LEED AP
    www.LimaArchitecture.com

    Sent from Gus' mobile device





  • 5.  RE: Using online Document Control software: whose system should we use?

    Posted 12-11-2023 06:56 PM
    Yep, you put your finger on a big problem.

    Example 1: GC's keep RFI's open that we responded to 8 months ago. When they come under fire for schedule delays (and they always do), they flash the RFI Log to the Owner saying, "See, architect's fault! And oh, we need more money.". When we protest, we sound like defensive whiners, even if we bring the receipts (which we can and do). But who has time to litigate RFI logs? Owners don't have the time or motive. What are they going to do, sue, with 6 months to completion? Nope.

    Example 2: GC uploads 682 submittals on a Friday afternoon and notifies us that they're all critical or the job is delayed. We protest. Owner says, "Please do the best you can."... which we do. We only get 600 of them reviewed, which is 592 more than we were obligated to do per the contract. Two weeks later the submittal log is strobing red and it's the architect's fault.

    Whoever controls the information controls the narrative. Info-wars. Fake news... Off to find my aluminum foil. Need to make a new hat.

    With you in the struggle!

    Brian Van WinkleAIA
    Architect | Principal | Direct: (314) 324-2542





  • 6.  RE: Using online Document Control software: whose system should we use?

    Posted 12-11-2023 07:45 PM

    And if you get into a REAL dispute and you get cut-off from the data...



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    Gustavo Lima AIA
    Gustavo A. Lima Architecture, PC
    Williamsville NY
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  • 7.  RE: Using online Document Control software: whose system should we use?

    Posted 12-13-2023 02:26 AM

    Brian Van Winkle's examples point out a critical truth of architectural project management: effective liability management and project management require excellent relationships with clients, builders, consultants, regulators, and third party project participants. Without good relationships, the best software, tools, and techniques in the world are useless. With good relationships, I think we can get through virtually every issue that arises, regardless of who owns the software and regardless of which software is used. That's been my experience.



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    Sean Catherall AIA
    Murray UT
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  • 8.  RE: Using online Document Control software: whose system should we use?

    Posted 12-15-2023 09:41 AM

    A small but perhaps helpful detail: Procore most often shows up as the preferred web-based management software for most of the CMs, GCs, and D-Bs on our projects. Several of our architect clients find that Newforma is by far the preferable software on their side, and have been able through some effort to get the Procure-to-Newforma plug-in to work successfully.



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    Philip Kabza AIA
    SpecGuy Specifications Consultants
    Mount Dora FL
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