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  • 1.  Miami Dade County Architect of Record Change

    Posted 01-30-2023 09:55 AM
    We are a Chicago-based firm with a project in Miami-Dade County. We were hired by clients who purchased a sizable speculative house. We became involved mid-construction, just as windows started being installed. Our work is relatively modest in scope - largely limited to cosmetic changes to the detailing of the exterior elevations. We are preparing a permit revision submittal to cover the work however we are hearing from a building official that such a submittal approval would entail us taking on full architect of record responsibilities. That would include all of the work completed prior to our involvement. We take no issue with accepting the AOR  role for the scope of revisions we are responsible for but are obviously unwilling to take on full project liability. Struggling with how to negotiate this. If anyone has faced a similar situation, I would greatly appreciate insight.

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    Gregory Howe AIA
    Searl Lamaster Howe Architects
    Chicago IL
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  • 2.  RE: Miami Dade County Architect of Record Change

    Posted 01-31-2023 06:06 PM
    If possible, have the original architect write a letter for his SOW. And you can do the same.  This is not unlike an engineering consultant having responsibility for the engineer's scope of work.

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    Nicholas Peckham FAIA
    Peckham Architecture
    Columbia MO
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  • 3.  RE: Miami Dade County Architect of Record Change

    Posted 01-31-2023 07:28 PM
    Hello Gregory -

    First, I would talk to your insurance co and your attorney. Generally there are very specific recommendations for taking over a project during construction. For example, you may need a rider to your liability policy. You may also need to provide a formal project review document. Intervening in a ongoing project is very tricky both legally and ethically. I only do so if I have talked to the project designer first among other steps.

    My recommendation is that you recommend to the owner that they request that the builder/developer ask their architect or designer to incorporate your recommended design changes in their documents. They may agree or recommend a different approach. Of course, they should be compensated for this additional work. Your role would then be as an advisor to the owner or a consultant to the architect of record not as the architect of record. Another possibility is to make the changes after the existing project is closed out.

    I agree with the building official. One construction project should have one permit, one integrated set of documents, and a single architect of record unless it is an interior fit out. 

    It may be useful to place yourself in the position of the original designer. How would you react if the facades on one of your projects were altered during construction by another architect and you were still determined to be responsible for the project? 

    Interested in others thoughts.

    Good luck! Kathleen

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    Kathleen Dorgan FAIA


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  • 4.  RE: Miami Dade County Architect of Record Change

    Posted 02-01-2023 05:31 PM
    I am going through this on a project where I was the original architect and the developer went bankrupt mid project.  A new developer bought the building and had his architect make revisions to my permit drawings...without my knowing.  I don't want to be listed as the AOR when someone else has come in and revised things.    Our attorneys are now involved.   What you need to do is submit a new permit documenting all the existing conditions and then your proposed work.

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    Michelle Vassallo AIA
    MV Architects, LLC
    University Park MD
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  • 5.  RE: Miami Dade County Architect of Record Change

    Posted 02-02-2023 09:22 PM
    Hi Michelle, interesting topic, we have come across it many times, since we are contractors and  sometimes provide AOR services.
    it is seldom understood by Building officials, or plans expediters. much less by out of town clients.
    That being said, the copyright issue is a completely different one, if your agreement has not been terminated and another design professional is interfering. This is your intellectual property regardless and you should have been given the opportunity to provide services on your original work. Did you send your plans to the Library of Congress? its only $30.00

    The full explanation for successor design professionals:

    Florida Statutes 471.025 (4), and 401.221 (6),
    Florida Adminstrative Code FAC 61G1527.001 (engineering), and 61G1-18.002 (Architecture).

    (1) A successor registered architect seeking to reuse already sealed contract documents under the successor registered architect's seal must be able to document and produce upon request evidence that he has in fact recreated all the work done by the original registered architect. Further, the successor registered architect must take all professional and legal responsibility for the documents which he sealed and signed and can in no way exempt himself from such full responsibility. Plans need not be redrawn by the successor registered architect; however, justification for such action must be available through well kept and complete documentation on the part of the successor registered architect as to his having rethought and reworked the entire design process. A successor registered architect must use his own title block, seal and signature and must remove the title block, seal and signature of the original registered architect before sealing, signing and dating any sealed contract documents.

    (2) Prior to sealing, signing and dating work, a successor registered architect shall be required to notify the original registered architect, his successors, or assigns by certified letter to the last known address of the original registered architect of the successor's intention to use or reuse the original registered architect's work. The successor registered architect will take full responsibility for the drawing as though they were the successor registered architect's original product.

    Rulemaking Authority 481.2055, 481.221(6) FS. Law Implemented 481.221(6) FS. History–New 1-16-86, Amended 5-16-89, Formerly 21B-18.002.

    I hope this helps, good luck



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    Ivan Contreras, LEED AP, AIA
    CONTRERAS MUNOZ & CO
    Miami FL
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  • 6.  RE: Miami Dade County Architect of Record Change

    Posted 02-09-2023 12:41 PM
    Edited by Gregory L. Howe AIA 02-09-2023 07:49 PM

    I am responding here to Ivan's message but hope to address all of the points brought up by Nicholas, Kathleen, and Michelle. Sincere gratitude to each of you for your perspectives.

    One key detail that I should have made clear in my original posting is that we are in no way reusing the existing architect of record's (eAOR's) drawings...taking their drawings and simply swapping out our name on the title block. Not even taking their drawings and "tweaking" them with our design revisions. We were hired when construction was already 60%+ complete and we are being engaged to redesign and conduct CA on only our scope which constitutes +/-10% of the overall project scope. Otherwise, the scope remains as outlined in the eAOR's documents. The eAOR has had limited CA involvement but that would have been the case regardless of us joining the project.

    We arranged for documentation of as-built conditions when we became involved in the project. That as-built information served as our launch point. The eAOR's permit documents are peripheral at best in the development of our very limited scope of work. 

    The best analogy I can develop to explain things in simple terms is that the eAOR devised a complete Thanksgiving menu with detailed recipes for each dish. We were called in in the middle of the meal prep on Thanksgiving day because the clients decided they wanted baked vs mashed potatoes and baked potatoes are not the eAOR's style. The clients are using our baked potato recipe and we are administering it to ensure in conforms with our design intent. We continue to have no involvement with the cranberry sauce, green beans, etc. Therefore, where is the logic in us now taking on responsibility for the entire meal, two years after the turkey was popped in the oven? 

    My concerns of risk here are not limited to my firm. I want our clients to be properly protected in the event that a problem arose that was the result of actions completed in advance of our engagement. Were we to agree to take on full AOR responsibilities, we would be in gross violation of our professional liability insurance policy and our carrier could justifiably deny defending any claims tied to design scope not developed under our direct supervision nor for which we performed construction administration duties. 

    Since posting my initial inquiry, I was lucky enough to connect with someone in a leadership position with a very informed understanding of the state statute referenced by the local building on one architect succeeding another. His take is that the statute does not apply to our case and instead recommends submitting for a new permit limited to our scope instead of submitting as a revision to the original permit. In effect, our permit would be akin to a standard renovation permit for limited scope on an existing structure. The obvious complication being that the existing structure is not yet complete. Our goal now is to connect someone at the state level with the local building official on the statute interpretation and then have an open discussion with the local official on how to best navigate this matter...having two permits on one ongoing project is not normal but the issue we are dealing with is not normal. Inevitably in this profession unique problems arise that cannot be conclusively resolved by statutes or codes. An exercise in judgement on a gray matter is what we have here.

    As background, we have informed and sought out the advice of both our insurance carrier and attorney and will continue to do so. Also, the idea of us becoming a consultant of sorts to the eAOR who would then review and submit our documents as a permit revision has already been proposed and rejected by the eAOR.



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    Gregory Howe AIA
    Searl Lamaster Howe Architects
    Chicago IL
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  • 7.  RE: Miami Dade County Architect of Record Change

    Posted 02-09-2023 01:02 PM
    Sounds like the correct approach to me.  
    Unfortunately in my case it's the new owner ( developer) and his architect who are not doing it properly putting potential liability on me and a headache for new condo owners

    Michelle Vassallo AIA
    Principal
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    MV ARCHITECTS
    4818 MacArthur Blvd NW, Washington DC 20007
    202 489 1103  





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  • 8.  RE: Miami Dade County Architect of Record Change

    Posted 02-10-2023 05:35 PM

    Dear Mr. Howe, Thank you for the detailed explanation of a complex matter. This can be helpful to many of us, in any jurisdiction, when faced with a similar situation. This is truly what this forum is all about.

    Best wishes,

    Brian Pape, AiA



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    Brian Pape AIA Member Emeritus
    Brian J. Pape Architect and Consultant PC
    New York NY
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