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  • 1.  Who owns CAD files?

    Posted 06-25-2012 07:43 AM
    This message has been cross posted to the following Discussion Forums: Retail and Entertainment and Practice Management Member Conversations .
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    Recently I have had requests for CAD files from clients and other 3rd parties.  The latest is from a shopping center where I did a build-out for a restaurant.  They claim that providing CAD files is required as part of the tennants lease.  I never heard of this before and am reluctant to provide CAD files.  I gave them pdf files, but they insist on CAD files.  I remember the day when drawings were done by hand.  Would they have requested the actual drawings?  I usually tell them that my insurance carrier me not to provide CAD files because of the liability.  Anyone with a similar experience? 

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    David Wulff AIA
    AIA, LEED-AP
    David H. Wulff, Architect, Inc.
    Lakeland FL
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  • 2.  RE:Who owns CAD files?

    Posted 06-26-2012 08:04 AM
    David; We typically agree in our contracts to provide DWF- NOT DWG files to 3rd parties. This allows them to do take-offs and some limited modifications, but nothing that would cause undo heartburn from a liability standpoint. In addition, our agreements for services provide that - in a commercial/ office/ leaseable space situation- we will provide a simplified CAD file of basic physical elements that are necessarily needed for tenant improvemens, as a separate, additional service, but in no way are we providing actual CAD files of "Issue for Construction", or even "Permit" documents to 3rd parties.

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    Bruce Hazzard Assoc. AIA
    Managing Partner
    Design Management, LLC
    Asheville NC
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  • 3.  RE:Who owns CAD files?

    Posted 06-27-2012 08:55 AM
    This is obviously a timely issue.  A few things to understand about the Copyright Statute;

    1.    The Architect owns the copyrights by virtue of the fact that the Architect created the work.  Period.  The only way to transfer that right is in writing.  Even if you provide CAD files, you still own the copyright unless you sign a written document that transfers those rights away.  The AIA documents address ownership of the intellectual property (the copyright) and they provide for the same result, but they don't really need to since the statute itself provides that same result.  Unless you sign a contract or a written transfer that gives away your copyright, you own it.  Period.

    2.    It doesn't matter what sort of contract your client signs.  While that create a management issue for you (it may be hard to deny your client if they ask for CAD files because they are required to hand them over), it technically isn't your problem - at least not in the legal sense.

    3.    You are never bound by the contract that your client signs with another, unless you sign that contract, or unless your contract with your client binds you to those terms.  Always read and negotiate your contracts very carefully.

    4.    CAD files are your work product, and you can't change that.  Simply put, giving others your work product in a manipulable form can cause liability issues.  Stripping out your title block or other identifying information as some have suggested does not change the fact that the CAD files are your work product.

    5.    Indemnification or hold harmless agreements as many suggested are fine, but aren't a defense.  If you give CAD file to a client, an indemnification or hold harmless agreement from the client will not stop others from making a claim against you.  If they do, you can demand the client indemnify you or hold you harmless.  If the client refuses (or as is more common, lacks the financial ability to defend you) you still have to defend yourself and pay any judgment you may lose.  You might be able to recover that loss from your client, but you can't avoid the liability with an indemnification or hold harmless - that is simply an agreement pursuant to which someone else agrees to pay any loss you may incur due to their use of your work product - it does not and cannot defeat the primary liability.

    6.    Understand also that many states place limits on the extent to which a party can be indemnified or held harmless.  While indemnification or hold harmless agreements are created by contracts and are generally enforceable, many states do not permit someone for seeking indemnification for their own negligence.  Therefore, if someone alleges they were injured by your negligence as reflected in your CAD documents, you may find your indemnification / hold harmless agreement is void under the law of your state.

    7.    Adding limiting language, "not for construction", etc. helps for sure, but it doesn't fully solve the problems.

    As with many aspects of the law, things are interconnected and often are not what they may appear (not different than the building code).  Someone not familiar with the building code may read a few sections and draw a few conclusions which may not be well founded.  That is why we have Architects.  Likewise, reading a contract or a section in a statute book may cause one to draw an improvident conclusion.  That is why we have Attorneys.  There are times to consult both.  This is a time to consult an Attorney as no one answer will fit every state or every project

    The best advice is to consult your insurance carrier and an Attorney familiar with the law in your state and work out a strategy consistent with that law.
     

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    Frederick Butters FAIA, Esq.
    Attorney
    AIA Detroit
    Southfield MI
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  • 4.  RE:Who owns CAD files?

    Posted 06-26-2012 08:16 AM
    Most owner/architect contracts have clauses pertaining to ownership of documents.  That is the first place to look.  Absent of that, it is a judgment call.  Is this a client you want to work with in the future?  if so , it easy to craft a release of liability for use of documents.  In this day and age, when all documents seem to be in electronic format, it is normal for the client to own the right to use the documents for that specific project (again, check contract language), to hold you harmless for the use of those documents, and to not use them for other projects.  Property management benefits from access to the electronic documents.  You can also strip the title blocks before providing, and disable macros on cad documents.  BIM is a different story.

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    Kerry Hogue AIA
    HKS, Inc.
    Dallas TX
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  • 5.  RE:Who owns CAD files?

    Posted 06-26-2012 08:40 AM
    The answer is simple - Architect owns the CAD files - a circumstance that can not be changed by provisions in a client's lease contract with its landlord.  Under the copyright statute, the author owns the copyright automatically - simply by virtue of the fact that he or she is the author.  In the case of a Architect practicing as a corporation or LLC, presuming the work is done by employees acting in the scope of their employ, the copyright is owned by the corporation or the LLC under what is called the "work for hire doctrine".  It may well be that the lease between your client and the landlord requires your client to forward a copy of the CAD files to the landlord.  However, that does not change the fact that you own the copyright - copyrights can only be divested or transferred if you transfer them in writing - no other way. 

    I generally recommend that clients retain the copyrights and offer to license the client to use a set of documents for purposes consistent with ownership, maintenance, modifications, etc.  That addresses the Owner's legitimate concerns over the need to use the design information for necessary purposes, while preserving your ownership.  

    Insofar as releasing the CAD files while retaining the copyright, you can certainly do that, but that entails risks.  I see many Owners offering to indemnify or hold Architects harmless for reuse of CAD files they surrender.  That is fine, and better than nothing, but understand that any liability will flow from the use of the CAD files.  If those files are reused and your Owner refused to indemnify in the event of a claim, you are still required to defend the claim and pay any loss.  You may be able to recover the costs and any losses from your Owner in a separate proceeding, but that indemnification / hold harmless agreement does not extinguish your liability.  In my opinion, many Architects place far to much reliance on those sorts of agreements where in reality they tend to engender more litigation than they prevent.

    The core of the problem of course with the CAD files is that they can be manipulated whereas PDFs generally can't be.  With the PDF at least you have the security of knowing that your documents will always reflect the same information you placed on them whereas CAD files may or may not, even if they still bear your letterhead and/or identifying information.

    These are only general thoughts of course and are not legal advice.  You should develop a strategy in concert with your legal counsel and your Insurance Carrier. 

          

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    Frederick Butters FAIA, Esq.
    Attorney
    AIA Detroit
    Southfield MI
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  • 6.  RE:Who owns CAD files?

    Posted 06-26-2012 08:42 AM
    David, I think this is becoming increasingly common, especially in the retail market space. We used to get and make requests similar to this at the firm I worked for. It was a quick and dirty way for us to get a base drawing from which we then field verified, then modeled using BIM. We always made the request through the landlord or developer, and most of the time we were able to get the files if they were available. We also frequently shared files (DWG) with our developers, usually after we stripped all the "intelligent" CAD information from them (unless it was a design build partnership we had). Each DWG file was emblazoned with a disclaimer across the plan (separate layer) and we never released the files without first having the developer or even the contractor sign off on a legal disclaimer we had developed. I suggest checking south your insurance carrier to see if they have such a disclaimer. If not, I believe the DPIC has some language you can use to create your own or with the help of legal counsel. Cheers, Kurt ------------------------------------------- Kurt Thompson AIA -------------------------------------------


  • 7.  RE:Who owns CAD files?

    Posted 06-26-2012 08:45 AM
    Our practice, when we have to provide CAD files, is to strip out all titleblock information.  It becomes essentially a generic drawing.  Not ideal because we lose any "credit" for the design.  But it also eliminates any liability if someone else makes changes.

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    Timothy Wall AIA
    Chief Architect
    Ken Herceg & Associates, Inc.
    South Bend IN
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  • 8.  RE:Who owns CAD files?

    Posted 06-26-2012 09:00 AM


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    Donald Kemp AIA
    Heath Design Group, Inc.
    Baltimore MD
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    Unless you are a party to the lease or your contract stipulates that you must provide these files, they belong to you.  Your fall back of using the insurance carrier is a good one because even if you haven't been told directly related to a specific project that you cannot, your liability in the event of something occurring is still in jeopardy.

    The other side of this question though is what does your reluctance to share these files files do to your relationship with a client?  You could win the battle here, but lose a client.  My experience is that the client ususally does not give up on the request and you are confronted with deciding whether the relationship is worth losing over these files.  I typically would give them base files without any identifying information on them to the client after they sign a release statement stating whatever your insurance carrier allows for release of liability related to the files.  I hope this helps.






  • 9.  RE:Who owns CAD files?

    Posted 06-26-2012 10:02 AM

    Absent contractual language to the contrary, my position is always that the electronic files are the property of the creator. You are giving your client a license to make use of the work product for that particular project, but you own it. I have my clients turn over electronic files only after the recipient signs a release acknowledging that my client is not responsible for any changes made to the files by others, and the recipient agrees to indemnify and hold my client harmless from any claims arising out of anyone's use of the files.

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    Kevin Bothwell, Esq. Assoc. AIA
    Thompson Becker & Bothwell, LLC
    Cherry Hill NJ
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  • 10.  RE:Who owns CAD files?

    Posted 06-26-2012 10:03 AM
    David

    I think there are two issues here.  First, your agreement with your client will dictate whether you must provide CAD files in any form.  Unless your client is the tenant in the shopping center, you have no contractual duty to the restaurant and therefore no responsiibility in any agreement between the center & the tenant.  Having said that, you may choose to provide them or not.

    I will say that we are often asked for our CAD files for a variety of reasons.  We do provide a floor plan only with no notes or dimensions for subcontractors to use as a base and for other Architects to validate square footage areas acting as peer review but seldom more than that.  When we do release them it is of course with a release form indemnifying our firm and must have a signature and sometinme a fee associated with this depending upon our relationship with our client or the entity asking for the information.

    In my opinion, a simple floor plan is not a significant relelaseof our work product.  Thoughts?

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    Ernest Ulibarri AIA
    Project Director
    Davis Carter Scott Ltd
    Mclean VA
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  • 11.  RE:Who owns CAD files?

    Posted 06-26-2012 10:24 AM
    David,

    This is a very common issue.  I think you have a few things to consider.  First, I would ask this question; did you sign the lease?  If not, who cares what the lease says?  Do you have a written agreement?  What does it say?  If you don't have a written agreement, I think, in most jurisdictions, you own the drawings and the design, period!  If you have an agreement, what does it say about your drawings?  Second, what is your relationship with the client?  Do you what to work for them again?  If so, what will make them angry?  I suspect, if you don't give them the drawings, that will make them angry.  Is it worth it?  Third, why don't you want to give them the CAD files?  Are you afraid they will use the design some where else?  Are you afraid they will modify the space and use your drawings?  Are you afraid that if they do either of those and you give them the drawings, they won't hire you again?  Do you think if you don't give them the drawings they will hire you again?

    After you decide on these issues, and others, I suspect, and if you decide to give them the files, then protect yourself.  You should define, in writing, how the files can be used (for modification or completion of this project); you should make sure you have been paid to date for your services.  You should have them agree to indemnify and defend you against any and all claims as a result of their use of your drawings.  (If you can, you should have them agree to pay any reasonable attorney's fees you may accumulate in defense of any claim.) You should require that any use of your files needs to involve a licensed architect. You should require them to remove any reference to you or your office if they reuse the documents according to the agreement.   Etc.  (Oh yeah, the agreement should allow you to use the details, etc on other projects.)

    The bottom line is that this is a business decision.  If your drawings are significant, they can't really be used legally by another architect without your permission.  (Good luck with that and thanks to all our "ethical architectural brethren.)  If you don't work this out to the client's satisfaction, good bye client.  It's just business.....

    I'm anxious to see other's opinion on this.

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    Francis Watkins AIA
    President, CEO
    Bignell Watkins & Hasser Architects, P.A.
    Annapolis MD
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  • 12.  RE:Who owns CAD files?

    Posted 06-26-2012 10:39 AM
    We provide design services to a wide variety of client types and receive similar requests, or even have contract requirements, to deliver the CAD files as part of our services.  With our attorney and insurance carrier we developed a tool that consists of a "hold harmless" agreement that allows us to release the files appropriately.  The requester is given an executable file that consists of the agreement linked to zipped CAD files.  The agreement must be accepted before the files are automatically unzipped and placed into a directory of the requester's choice.  They then have the files they need for whatever purpose they choose, but they have already agreed to the terms of their use in order to get to them.  The CAD files are prepared  in a "bound" CAD format before linking to this agreement to make them most usable by others.

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    Dale Anderson AIA
    Principal
    BCRA
    Tacoma WA
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  • 13.  RE:Who owns CAD files?

    Posted 06-26-2012 10:42 AM
    We provide design services to a wide variety of client types and receive similar requests, or even have contract requirements, to deliver the CAD files as part of our services.  With our attorney and insurance carrier we developed a tool that consists of a "hold harmless" agreement that allows us to release the files appropriately.  The requester is given an executable file that consists of the agreement linked to zipped CAD files.  The agreement must be accepted before the files are automatically unzipped and placed into a directory of the requester's choice.  They then have the files they need for whatever purpose they choose, but they have already agreed to the terms of their use in order to get to them.  The CAD files are prepared  in a "bound" CAD format before linking to this agreement to make them most usable by others.

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    Dale Anderson AIA
    Principal
    BCRA
    Tacoma WA
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  • 14.  RE:Who owns CAD files?

    Posted 06-26-2012 10:44 AM
    We provide design services to a wide variety of client types and receive similar requests, or even have contract requirements, to deliver the CAD files as part of our services.  With our attorney and insurance carrier we developed a tool that consists of a "hold harmless" agreement that allows us to release the files appropriately.  The requester is given an executable file that consists of the agreement linked to zipped CAD files.  The agreement must be accepted before the files are automatically unzipped and placed into a directory of the requester's choice.  They then have the files they need for whatever purpose they choose, but they have already agreed to the terms of their use in order to get to them.  The CAD files are prepared  in a "bound" CAD format before linking to this agreement to make them most usable by others.

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    Dale Anderson AIA
    Principal
    BCRA
    Tacoma WA
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  • 15.  RE:Who owns CAD files?

    Posted 06-26-2012 10:46 AM
    We provide design services to a wide variety of client types and receive similar requests, or even have contract requirements, to deliver the CAD files as part of our services.  With our attorney and insurance carrier we developed a tool that consists of a "hold harmless" agreement that allows us to release the files appropriately.  The requester is given an executable file that consists of the agreement linked to zipped CAD files.  The agreement must be accepted before the files are automatically unzipped and placed into a directory of the requester's choice.  They then have the files they need for whatever purpose they choose, but they have already agreed to the terms of their use in order to get to them.  The CAD files are prepared  in a "bound" CAD format before linking to this agreement to make them most usable by others.

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    Dale Anderson AIA
    Principal
    BCRA
    Tacoma WA
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  • 16.  RE:Who owns CAD files?

    Posted 06-26-2012 11:03 AM
    The ownership of all instruments of service are (or should be) outlined specifically in the Owner/Architect Agreement.  When this is not the case, perhaps you could strip the CAD files of identifying marks related to your firm?  Very sketchy request but we're run across this as well.  The biggest problem is with the 3rd party requests. I have twice responded to a building owner, who was not my original client, that we would be happy to provide architectural services for their renovation but that it is against our architectural code of ethics to give cad files to a building owner as we lose all professional oversight but retain all liability.


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    Nell Travis Campbell AIA
    Architect, Principal
    Bullock Smith & Partners, Inc.
    Knoxville TN
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  • 17.  RE:Who owns CAD files?

    Posted 06-26-2012 11:38 AM
    I think you need to read the lease.  You might be a party to it despite the conditions of the contract you had with your client.  At any rate, asking for a copy of it could turn back the request if not valid.  If you have an attorney on retainer and it would not cost too much from them, it may be more effective to have them make the call.

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    Roger Retzlaff AIA
    Green Bay WI
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  • 18.  RE:Who owns CAD files?

    Posted 06-26-2012 11:57 AM
    This happens to us a lot as we do public work and our contracts require  access to the owners.
    Recently suppliers are asking for the CADD drawings to do their shop drawings.

    I have to admit I like having access to a baseplan of the existing building when we do a renovation.
    We still field verify but there is a background to work from, and therefore  that drawing time can be  better spent on QAQC.

    To limit our risk:
    We take our title block off before we hand them over.
    We add a disclaimer to the file in the titleblock space.
    We add a disclaimer that cadd drawings must be field verified by the supplier

    I'd love to hear how others handle this.

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    Betty Trent AIA
    Architecture Plus
    Austin TX
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  • 19.  RE:Who owns CAD files?

    Posted 06-26-2012 12:56 PM
    David,
    I would say that, if your Owner-Architect Agreement doesn't say anything about who owns them, the CAD files are still yours as instruments of service.  So, you're in the driver's seat.
    I can certainly understand that the Landlord might think there is some value or need to have the files when your client moves out, etc.  But, you're not working for the Landlord.  If the Restaurant had made this request/requirement clear up front, you could have made reasonable accommodations, and likely have stipulated additional compensation, at least for the time spent creating or editing files for their use.
    IF they are willing to pay for this service, you may wish to create a custom titleblock which makes clear that the drawings are just a representation of the design and don't depict the as-built condition, (unless they're required to provide the Landlord with "as-builts" and are willing to pay you to draft such).
    PDFs are actually likely to be more useful to all of the other parties in 5 or 10 years, when the CAD version which you prepared the drawings with has been updated several times and the old information is not accessible.  If you can create the PDFs with layers, that would give the next party something that would at least be a background to draw on top of.
    On the other hand -- is there repeat work likely from this tenant, or at this mall?  Can you meet with the shopping center manager to find out what they are really after?  Have they got a closet full of old, non-CAD drawings of the other tenants, which they might pay you to redraw?  It can be nice to come to the table with a solution instead of always being the "we don't do that" guys.

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    Joel Niemi AIA
    Snohomish WA

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  • 20.  RE:Who owns CAD files?

    Posted 06-26-2012 03:31 PM
    We've had the same demands for the files in .DWG format instead of .PDF format.  We will not provide unless in the contract, and even then, we strip the stamps, signatures and title blocks from the files.  We typically give the stripped files to the contractor to start his shop drawings from also.

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    Ladd Ehlinger AIA
    President
    Ehlinger & Associates PC
    Metairie LA
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  • 21.  RE:Who owns CAD files?

    Posted 06-26-2012 03:36 PM
    Yes, I've been there, done that. First, get them to sign a robust CAD release form. Your liability insurer will have a good one.

    Second, lock all the layers, inset a password to access the files, and in 2" high letters across every sheet, insert "watermark" text to the effect of "THESE DRAWINGS NOT FOR CONSTRUCTION." Be sure to put this on a password protected, locked layer.

    Lastly, on every sheet, in the bottom right corner, insert a hold harmless clause clearly stating that you are not responsible for as-built conditions, dimensions, detailing, etc. Again, your liability insurer should have good samples. Be sure to also put this on a password protected, locked layer.

    After all of that, they will probably require you to remove the password (if they check), but other than that, refuse to remove anything else. Many Architects have been sued for follow-on work where the next guy depended on your drawings for various info, and didn't do their own homework, and extra cost ensued.

    Good luck.

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    Steven Newby AIA
    Principal Architect
    Steve Newby Architects & Associates, P.C.
    Las Cruces NM
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  • 22.  CAD Files

    Posted 06-26-2012 04:47 PM

    David: There are two AIA Standard Documents that address digital practice matters. I suggest that you take a look at them to see if one of them will work to limit by contract the use should you choose to issue digital files. However, I agree with you that issuing them to a relatively unsophisticated client probably is not a prudent thing to do. You will find that the Florida licensing law does not have any requirement that digital files be issued. There is a procedure for digital filing for the purposes of filing for permit however. Use of an AIA Standard Contract Document with your client makes it quite clear who owns the documents and the intellectual property embodied therein and the purpose for which they can be used.  
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    James Anstis FAIA
    Retired
    West Palm Beach FL
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  • 23.  RE:Who owns CAD files?

    Posted 06-27-2012 09:33 AM

    You might find this usefull...

    http://www.cadlock.com/


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    Rudolph Beuc AIA
    Architect
    R. Beuc Architects
    Saint Louis MO
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  • 24.  Who owns CAD files

    Posted 06-28-2012 12:21 PM

    We've also found that both clients and contractors are requesting CAD files. We've been providing them on a case-by-case basis, requiring a release form stating what they can and cannot be used for, and releasing our firm from liability in the event the user modifies the drawings. Our biggest problem with releasing these files is the added work on our part to prepare the drawings for forwarding: typically the drawings contain a lot of information that would be difficult for the end user to navigate. We're finding that we're spending more and more time on each project handling CAD files for clients and contractors. Maybe it makes sense to address this issue up-front with the client in the initial contract?

    Thanks!

    Liz Hedrick

    Architect ' Associate

    BBT Architects

    1160 SW Simpson, Suite 100
    Bend, OR  97702


    phone:  541-382-5535
    fax:       541-389-8033
    email:   lhedrick@bbtarchitects.com

    web:     www.bbtarchitects.com



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    Donald Stevens AIA
    Principal
    BBT Architects
    Bend OR
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  • 25.  RE:Who owns CAD files

    Posted 06-29-2012 09:29 AM
    Similar to the question of releasing CADD files, but perhaps more tricky:  increasingly we are being asked to provide electronic bid docs (pdfs) to all potential bidders in lieu of requiring a deposit for hard copy bid documents.  There are multiple concerns on this. 
      1.    how to control the "list of bidders" and issuing of addendum. 
      2.    When we provide pdfs we have no idea who the Contractor forwards them to.
      3.    While difficult, someone could technically "cut and paste" seals and signatures....potential even with hard copies, but more difficult.
     
    on a side note, our local reprographics firm is not happy with this because their business is suffering severly due to a lack of printing requests as a result of contractors getting electronic docs and printing themselves.

    what are others seeing with respect to this practice?

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    Steven Coe AIA
    Principal
    Rosenblum Coe Architects, Inc.
    Charleston SC
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  • 26.  RE:Who owns CAD files

    Posted 06-29-2012 12:22 PM
    Liz hits the nail on the head...for us it was the extra work that we had in order to strip the files to send the out to the various sub-contractors. We used to absorb the cost because it seemed ridiculous to charge each sub a modest amount for  the files. Once we figured out that the owner is benefiting from the process, by no longer paying the subs to redraw the backgrounds, we started adding a "Allowance" section to our specifications to cover the costs. We now have the GC's include a line item allowance of $500-1000 for each project. We then bill against during the construction. If we only have a few easy requests, we may only bill for a small portion of the total and the owner pays the builder who pays us, based on actual use. It is such a small amount, it never gets much attention. We spent time in discussions with the general contractors when we first began the practice, but they easily got on board and its become a non-issue.

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    Linda Delano
    Building Possibilities, Inc.
    Phoenix AZ
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  • 27.  RE:Who owns CAD files

    Posted 07-03-2012 11:16 AM
    Isn't this similar to providing As-Builts and if so this should be an additional service. It is rare that a project controlled by a developer or retail center owner ever gets built out exactly as the plans show. It is also rare that an architect is asked to do CA on this type of project and being involved in on site changes.
    So seems to me there is an opportunity here for added-value services that can be charged for. All you have to do is convince the owner that the request for CAD Files is fine but you want to make sure they are in a format and of a quality and accuracy that will make them useful to him for maintenance, future lease management, appraisals, resale value, etc.
    Also most of these developers are not CAD savvy so you may propose to them to take their entire center or office building and place the CAD files into a Master drawing allowing them to pull up lease spaces etc in a PDF or something.
    Regardless - I would not fear this request. Use it as a augmented services opportunity.
    Berry

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    S. Jones AIA
    Owner
    S Berry Jones - Architects
    Memphis TN
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