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  • 1.  Tools & Technology Question

    Posted 11 days ago

    I am curuious if anyone has experience using e-ink tablets for As-Builts.   I still use Pen & Paper, but am looking to streamline & reduce paper.  Are E-ink Tablets a viable option?   What other tools do you use? 



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    Jeremy Miller AIA
    Metropolitan Design Studio + Architecture
    Portland OR
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  • 2.  RE: Tools & Technology Question

    Posted 7 days ago

    I have been using my Remarkeable tablet for field existing conditions surveys both with and without as-built drawings. For small surveys paired with a laser measuring tool and tape measure it makes a great tool. When I get back to the office it simple to download or email a PDF of the sketches. When using PDFs of as-built drawings, it is sort of hit or miss. It depends on the size of the PDF. The Remarkeable has trouble handling larger PDF files, it won't zoom or pan very quickly or smoothly. Scale can be a problem. It is nice that you can change the pen color to red. It will show up gray on the tablet, but exports to PDF in color.



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    John Benware AIA
    Ghafari Associates, LLC
    Oak Lawn IL
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  • 3.  RE: Tools & Technology Question

    Posted 7 days ago

    I'm not sure that e-ink format is the most versatile for migrating the workflow to digital.  I've found (at least for me) that the most natural and well-supported has been to use an Apple iPad Pro and Pencil with Morpholio Trace as it has basically allowed me to become a paperless office. It really is like using trace rolls/paper over your imported photos, PDFs, screen shots, CAD, whatever!  You can sketch freehand and to scale with formal linework and more.
    And Trace is $20/year. Can't beat the price. 

    Hope that helps!



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    Irving Gonzales AIA
    G7A | Gonzales Architects
    San Francisco CA
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  • 4.  RE: Tools & Technology Question

    Posted 4 days ago

    Irving,

    I was mostly avoiding regular glossy screened tablets because of needing to take measurements outside.  Are you still able to read the screen in full sunlight?



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    Jeremy Miller AIA
    Metropolitan Design Studio + Architecture
    Portland OR
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  • 5.  RE: Tools & Technology Question

    Posted 4 days ago

    Good morning, Jeremy. Unlike you, most of my use is indoors so I haven't had sunlight be an issue.  However, I recognize that glare and reflections can be an issue and when I've had that instance I simply turn away from it.  A better solution that comes to mind would be to use something like a magnetic screen protector that also reduces the glare with a matte finish.  Two products that I've seen and read about with good reviews are the PenMat and the ESR.  There is also Paperlike.  Each of these reduce glare and also provide a more tactile resistance like pencil on paper.  I've chosen to use PenTips added to my Apple Pencil for the same effect without having a screen cover.  Much of this comes down to preference and comfort, too.  Here's a good article I had saved in case I were to upgrade my iPad 11 Pro to the latest M4 version and the Pro pencil:

    PenMat vs ESR: What is the Best Paper-Feel Magnetic Screen Protector? | Inspiration Grid

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    PenMat vs ESR: What is the Best Paper-Feel Magnetic Screen Protector? | Inspiration Grid
    Daily design inspiration for creatives

    Hope this helps!



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    Irving Gonzales AIA
    G7A | Gonzales Architects
    San Francisco CA
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  • 6.  RE: Tools & Technology Question

    Posted yesterday
    Matterport is a good tool for giving you a record of what you have seen on site, but it cannot replace field measuring 100%. You still need to use a laser to get overall accurate dimensions. The point cloud provides too much data to choose from. The point that you choose from the cloud may not be accurate. Are you measuring from the baseboard, the wall surface, the window sill projection?? You can lose inches over an entire building. It does help to remind you that there was a projection or a soffit, how the casing details work etc. You will need to measure the thickness of the wall at the transitions from room to room. Don't expect to eliminate the need for a good site survey.

    Mella Kernan AIA
    Principal

    Mella Kernan Architects
    13 Bayberry Lane
    Westport, CT 06880

    T: 203 254 7854
    C: 203 216 2091
    F: 203 255 2341 

    www.mellakernanarchitects.com





  • 7.  RE: Tools & Technology Question

    Posted 7 days ago
    Jeremy,

    I LOVE my remarkable e-ink tablet. Wouldn't trade it for the world.

    For as-builts...I would recommend ditching the tablet and tape measure all together. There are so many good scanning services out there, I would never go back. 

    First we subcontracted with a local architectural firm who bought their own point cloud scanner and then translated that into a revit/sketchup file. 
    Quickly after that, we bought our own Matterport scanner and now have high quality as-built revit models of existing structures in less than 10 days for less than $1000. 

    Dan
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    Daniel Zimmerman, Registered Architect, AIA
    ALLOY: Architecture + Construction 
    1109 Rose Hill Drive
    Charlottesville, Virginia 22903
    tel: 434-977-8733
    www.alloyworkshop.com
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  • 8.  RE: Tools & Technology Question

    Posted 4 days ago

    Thanks,

    I haven't heard great things about the accuracy of Matterport Scans.  I am curious how much work it is to remove all the furniture and other Clutter that is common in the types of projects I frequently work on. Is able to automatically tell what is furniture and remove it from the model?



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    Jeremy Miller AIA
    Metropolitan Design Studio + Architecture
    Portland OR
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  • 9.  RE: Tools & Technology Question

    Posted 4 days ago
    Jeremey,
    There are basically two types of Matterport scanners and services...one used more in the real estate market for walk-throughs, the other (Pro 2 & Pro 3) is much higher resolution and produces a point cloud. We've scanned the same building using both technologies and the Matterport scan is the same as a much much more expensive point cloud only scanner. 
    We used to have an account manager when we first set it up, but they have moved on. When we first contacted Matterport, their initial sales person didn't even know they had Pro 2/3 capabilities. We knew to ask cause a friend of my from VT has been using it for years and keyed us into it.

    Good luck.
    Dan