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  • 1.  Architect & Engineer Consultant Team vs. Design Build

    Posted 11-14-2013 10:52 AM
    This message has been cross posted to the following Discussion Forums: Small Project Practitioners and Project Delivery .
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    Richard Christensen AIA
    ARC Architectural Group, LLC
    Racine WI
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    Our firm is competing for the opportunity to design an office building for 4 physicians, one of which is a long-established client.  We have an appropriate team of consulting engineers.

    One of the other physicians has a favored general contractor proposing a design-build approach.

    None of the 4 have participated in this process ground-up before.

    We are preparing an outline of  the process as part of our presentation to leave with them and would like to include multiple substantial value-based reasons supporting the architect-consultant team approach over the design-build approach.

         Your comments are requested.

         Thank-you,

         Richard                              arcgroup2@tds.net



  • 2.  RE:Architect & Engineer Consultant Team vs. Design Build

    Posted 11-15-2013 06:14 PM
    Richard,
    I spent over 20 years in the design build delivery process which included many medical office building, commercial retail and professional office. Design Build works great if your team is in agreement and understands their roles and the goal of client.  Each team member has to understand what they are responsible for in the goals of the project.  Things go down hill when team members do not agree with the goals or do not achieve their part in the goals .
    For example, if the client demands the lowest cost possible then the contractor generally has to step forward and lead in every decision,  based on cost . As an Architect this can be very frustrating and sometimes it is better to pass on the project. However,  allot of the time a collaborative team environment and process can be the best . Getting great ideas from everyone in the project and getting those ideas early so that they can be incorporated. This can result in the best project for the money and the clients expectations are met or exceeded.

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    David Fisher AIA
    Principal
    Fisher Architects
    Gig Harbor WA
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  • 3.  RE:Architect & Engineer Consultant Team vs. Design Build

    Posted 11-16-2013 04:41 PM
    Richard (and all other architects who are new to the very-different world of Contractor-led Design-Build)--

    The single biggest thing that you, your consultants and client-owner need to know before committing to Contractor-led Design Build delivery is that if you enter into that method, then the GC becomes the only 'client' to whom loyalty and protection is owed by the A/E design professionals. 

    In D-B, the single contract is between the GC and the Owner (who is now the sales 'customer' of the GC, and therefore the Owner has NO traditional direct privity protections or fiduciary standing whatsoever with the design team).  Contractually, ethically and by license law, in Contractor-led Design-Build, the design subcontractor is bound to protect serve the best interests and carry out the directions of the GC only (in D-B the A/E subcontractor owes the Owner nothing other than contract compliance on behalf of the employing GC plus the basic license responsibility for public safety and non-fraudulent actions).  A subcontractor in D-B cannot hold the GC responsible on behalf of the Owner.  Seriously. 

    That is not to say that D-B is bad or that it cannot serve the design and construction needs as strictly defined in a well-constructed D-B master contract between GC and Owner.  It's just that very few participants ever seem to really understand the basic D-B fact of who is the protected 'client' and who is the common 'customer'.  If that fundamental issue goes wrong, then all else is at extreme risk of failure, too.  Some design team members get so confused that they try to revert to our traditional education and training and try to treat the Owner as their protected 'client' instead of being fully devoted to serving the needs of their employer, the GC, first and foremost. 

    Make sure everyone on your  design team also understands how to keep their roles and responsibilities straight in D-B --otherwise, don't do D-B. 

    Since you say that one or more of the Ownership group was a former 'client' of yours, be especially careful to make that whole group understand they will just be a 'customer' if Contractor-led D-B is used, and the relationships will be very different

    Under the circumstances you describe, it would seem like you and these Owners would be better off with more traditional relationships where they are the 'client' of both A/E and GC/CM via using CM at-Risk with parallel contracts for you and their GC.  A GC under a CMR contract on an open-book, cost-plus fee early-GMP basis would appear to better serve the interests of all parties in this situation. 

    --Dale
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    Dale Munhall AIA
    Director of Construction Phase Services
    Leo A Daly
    Omaha NE
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  • 4.  RE:Architect & Engineer Consultant Team vs. Design Build

    Posted 11-16-2013 07:25 PM


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    Richard Barron AIA
    Jackson MS
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    Under a standard design-build relationship, the owner has no one representing their interests in the project, unless the owner is capable of managing the project them selves, or if the owner engages the services of an outside professional representative.  It is based upon a strong owner-contractor resationship built upon trust.

    Some owners have been surprised to learn that in a design-build relationship, the architect is employed by and therefore works for, the contractor and not the owner.