First of all, this is a great conversation about a question that always comes up on almost all projects in my experience. Some projects had a Permit Set and then a Construction Set that incorporated all plan check comments for the contractor to reconcile cost for the owner. On other projects the Bid Set was also the Permit Set which made our lives way easier.
There is one thing that was not mentioned in this thread is that you can submit a "Revision to the Building Permit". I have done this in the past when the scope of a project changed significantly after the Permit Set was submitted and it impacts the life safety, structural or mechanical components of the facility. There are always going to be changes after the Permit Set has been submitted, specially on large commercial or multi-family projects.
I am for having one Permit/Bid or Construction Set just for streamlining the process and not have to track several sets of drawings, but sometimes you have to break the sets up just to keep up with the every decreasing project time frames clients are proposing these days.
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Daniel Guich, LEED AP, CDT
San Francisco, CA
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Original Message:
Sent: 01-11-2017 19:31
From: Rudolph Beuc
Subject: Permit Sets
I am the third generation of my family in this practice. I have myself been licensed and sealing my own documents for my own clients since 1996. When filing for permits, every set is as complete as I can make them.
We are all human, we are all fallible. There will always be some grey area or need for improvement. There is always something marked on the documents that I may need to address or not.
If there needs to be a revision or addendum, I will create such and issue a new set. The AHJ has to have a decent set of documents on record to review and compare built conditions to. That is, to fulfill their responsibilities.
I do not hold a government job, nor am I in an institutional ivory tower. I am a one horse shop. I meet with clients, I do my own drawings (Revit models), I seal and sign my own drawings, and I answer my own phone. I do not live within a government, corporate, or other cocoon.
I can not for the life of me, sir, wrap my head around your comments.
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Rudolph Beuc AIA, NCARB, CBO, Architect,
R. Beuc Architects Saint Louis MO
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Original Message:
Sent: 01-10-2017 21:00
From: Dennis O'Beirne
Subject: Permit Sets
Well all this banter from practitioners with government jobs and from the comfort of academia intrigue me.
You all need to get in gear with what is really happening in the industry and with Design Build and Developers.
I guarantee that if you get a set of documents from and AE for Permit it is not complete.
In my close to 40 years of doing this I don't think I have ever gotten a comment on a detail from an AHJ.
Your living in a dream world and need to get into the new century.
And what if you, the AHJ, actually have an important comment that has to be incorporated into the documents.
Good luck with that since they are going right into construction!!!
Dennis O'Beirne AIA, LEED®AP
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