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Refreshing discussion, if wide-ranging and verbose. (I missed something in passing: where is this palace Sheikh Zayed Grand Mosque Center, and are we referencing the hotel in Palm Beach Vanderbilt mansion in Rhode Island, point is volume of air in thermal mass of mansions keep structures cooler when correctly designed, or?) Pleased, though, to note some apparent displeasure with "hyper centric formal" Federation Square would be an example of Hyper nodal (capping a railway to connect the south waterfront and Brighton) whereas some of these contemporary buildings don't actually engage at an urban scale (SM M L XL theory applies) which may mean the often dystopian object buildings of these disturbing times that strain to be both bizarre and disengaged from their contexts (agree). The photogenic zigzag is but a corner of a more conventional large complex; it would be interested to know how it functions and how well. (or not) note posterior of building has relief studies that are university themed in contemporary language as apposed to classical language.
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Original Message: Sent: 08-13-2019 22:27 From: Seth Trotter Subject: the egghead caucus?
Emergent form is arguably a study on anthropomorphic algorithms that effectively mass as an arpeggiation. Emergence bloodlines dive deep into Vitruvian thought and reference classical language (skipping the Baroque Vivaldi?). The formal deconstructivist movements (south of the 10) might exhibit some of Jazz's finer compositions, but that's not a duck: it's a fish or turkey. They needed to reject something. Venturi is a key back into Classical rigor, something the design industry needs (as exemplified with Architects not valuing good urbanism in exchange for a hyper centric formal rejection of traditional value). A Neo-Mughal/neo-Azari project for a palace in the 21st century exhibits the passive nature of advancement from desert vernacular that rivals Breakers. I haven't necessarily established musical parallels beyond "A whole new world" for those archetypes. Thank you for exhibiting the work of Lyons' project; Australians value conservative progression with correct partis (another example is Federation Square).
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Seth Trotter Assoc. AIA
Sole Proprietor
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Prescott AZ
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Original Message:
Sent: 08-14-2019 20:59
From: Kenneth Moffett
Subject: the egghead caucus?
Refreshing discussion, if wide-ranging and verbose. (I missed something in passing: where is this palace, and are we referencing the hotel in Palm Beach, or?) Pleased, though, to note some apparent displeasure with "hyper centric formal" which may mean the often dystopian object buildings of these disturbing times that strain to be both bizarre and disengaged from their contexts. The photogenic zigzag is but a corner of a more conventional large complex; it would be interested to know how it functions and how well. (or not).
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Kenneth Moffett AIA
Design Director
Bullock Smith & Partners
Knoxville TN
Original Message:
Sent: 08-13-2019 22:27
From: Seth Trotter
Subject: the egghead caucus?
Emergent form is arguably a study on anthropomorphic algorithms that effectively mass as an arpeggiation. Emergence bloodlines dive deep into Vitruvian thought and reference classical language (skipping the Baroque Vivaldi?). The formal deconstructivist movements (south of the 10) might exhibit some of Jazz's finer compositions, but that's not a duck: it's a fish or turkey. They needed to reject something. Venturi is a key back into Classical rigor, something the design industry needs (as exemplified with Architects not valuing good urbanism in exchange for a hyper centric formal rejection of traditional value). A Neo-Mughal/neo-Azari project for a palace in the 21st century exhibits the passive nature of advancement from desert vernacular that rivals Breakers. I haven't necessarily established musical parallels beyond "A whole new world" for those archetypes. Thank you for exhibiting the work of Lyons' project; Australians value conservative progression with correct partis (another example is Federation Square).
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Seth Trotter Assoc. AIA
Sole Proprietor
tdtCREATIVE
Prescott AZ
Original Message:
Sent: 08-13-2019 21:58
From: Mike Mense
Subject: the egghead caucus?
I have attached an image of the aforementioned school of medical research. Looks like a particularly successful example of duckness per Venturi's Complexity and Contradiction. It would have been so much better if it was a school of music. Thinking back on it, the duck vs decorated shed discussion, though enlightening, is not a terribly important dichotomy. Decorated sheds, despite Venturi's almost defensive advocacy therefore, have always been the dominant architect's solution. Taking an admittedly narrow view of duckness, the most important duck architect, by far, is Eero Saarinen(think TWA and Dulles). One could make the case that Frank Gehry is a duckmaker, though it might be argued that his ducks are mentally ill. Ronchamp and The Einstein Tower are two of the best ducks ever. I think that Venturi was including the work of Kahn, Rudolph, Mies, the rest of Le Corbusier and many others of that ilk in his duck pond. But we were talking about frozen music and Seth's example is of the purer form of duckness. And, I guess my point here is that Seth's example, being of the rare form, does not confirm the frozen music claim. Nonetheless, I would like to consider the musicality of Seth's example in my next post.
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Mike Mense FAIA
New York NY
Original Message:
Sent: 08-07-2019 17:44
From: Seth Trotter
Subject: the egghead caucus?
A look at progressive music can establish correct parallels in contemporary music. The John Curtin School of Medicine by Lyons Architecture in Australia uses emergent rhythm (likely Bentley Systems for the interval) that relates to the emergent sound of composers like Olafur Arnalds and Nils Frahm. The parallel is not unlike Vivaldi's composition as an early industrial age composer in Baroque.
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Seth Trotter Assoc. AIA
Sole Proprietor
tdtCREATIVE
Prescott AZ
Original Message:
Sent: 08-06-2019 21:22
From: Mike Mense
Subject: the egghead caucus?
After three days at the Newport Jazz Festival. If architecture is an experience, it is not frozen. Each time it is affected by time of day, season, weather, and the prevailing feelings of the experiencer. In that sense it is equivalent to composed music. On the face of it, architecture's sequences are not as predictable as those of music. But I wonder if the neuroscientists' understandings of how we know or remember music and architecture are in fact different. Also, it appears that, unlike music, architecture can exist outside of time. But, then, we are unable to experience it out of time. Though, I suppose, memories of music and architecture may both exist out of time.
All of this said, improvisational Jazz is truly unfrozen music.
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Mike Mense FAIA
New York NY
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