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Subject: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

1.  Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 04-25-2016 21:47

In living lives of leadership and achievement, many Fellows’ pathways have been marked by numerous milestones. Some of these indicators recognize the character they have cultivated and could be predictors of their eventual elevation into the College of Fellows. In conversations with many of my colleague Fellows, I have found that for those who have been in the Boy Scouts, a great number have achieved Eagle Scout.

From that anecdotal data I have hypothesized, there is perhaps a correlation between the achievement of Eagle Scout (Boy Scouts), Gold Award (Girl Scouts) or Quartermasters (Sea Scouts) and elevation to Fellow. Therefore, I have theorized, “architects, who have been elevated to the College of Fellows and were involved in scouting programs (Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts or Sea Scouts) are likely to have achieved the Eagle Scout award or its equivalent in the other organizations”. I would like to gather data to determine if the theory is valid.

The plan is to collect the data by polling the living members of the College of Fellows to test the hypothesis and then share the results with both the College and the scouting organizations.  In an effort to investigate the premise, I would request that those Fellows who were involved in scouting programs contact me and let me know the following:

If you were involved in Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts or Sea Scouts, did you achieve the Eagle, Gold or Quartermasters Award?

Or

If you were involved in scouting and did not achieve the Eagle, Gold or Quartermasters Award?

Is there any anecdotal information you believe might be worth sharing?

Please submit your responses by June 1, 2016 to:

Jud Kline, FAIA at jkline@civitadservices.com.

I believe there is both value to the College of Fellows and the scouting organizations in understanding the outcome of this investigation. The knowledge gained for the College of Fellows provides insight into identifying future members by recognizing the character evidenced by those current members of the College who have attained scouting’s highest achievement. For the scouting organizations, it provides knowledge into the connection between career success and the important values of leadership, character and achievement gained through the lessons learned in scouting.

I look forward to your responses and will share the results, when the study has been completed. Thank you for your interest and participation.

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Judson Kline, FAIA
President
CIVITAD Services, LLC
Cleveland, Ohio
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2.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 04-26-2016 17:52
No correlation at all as far as I am concerned.

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3.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 04-27-2016 06:59

I have had about 30 responses so far. Of those men and women who have responded and indicated having been in scouting, the rate is about 2/3 have achieved Eagle Scout or its equivalent.

Please keep the responses coming in to provide a good data cohort. Thanks for your responses. 

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Judson Kline, FAIA
President
CIVITAD Services, LLC
Cleveland, Ohio



4.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 04-27-2016 17:58

It would be good to know those that are not Eagle Scouts and indicate no correlation

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5.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 05-18-2016 09:54

I was heavily involved in Boy Scouts from age 8 as a Cub to 25 as an Institutional Representative. I was not an Eagle Scout. Life was my top rank.

 

I am also a fellow in Construction Specifications Institute.

 

Scouting has continued to be an important part of my life as a father of three Girl Scouts and one Boy Scout. Volunteering for various roles as appropriate for their troops. I see no correlation between Eagle Scout and Fellowship.

 

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6.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 05-19-2016 18:59
Please, please. It's enough. No more boy scout reference. Thank you.




7.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 05-20-2016 17:49
Yes. Enough!

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8.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 05-23-2016 20:19
Thank you for all your participation. I am looking to understand something that I believe Fellows could appreciate and contribute information to see if there is a correlation between those who have been elevated to the COF and their success achieving a significant pre-career accomplishment.

Judson A. Kline, FAIA, NCARB, LEED AP
President
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9.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 05-23-2016 22:29
I don't know if there is a link but I am an Eagle Scout as well as a fellow

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10.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 05-24-2016 13:12

I remember an article in TIME which mentioned an experiment with a test that was secretly graded, but returned to the class unmarked to be passed to other students for grading and returning to the instructor.  The regraded papers were then checked for cheating on corrected errors, and analyzed for results.  The sector that had the most cheating were the scouts!  They were helping their fellows!

 

May we please end this self-congratulatory nostalgic topic and get on with matters of some import?






11.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 05-25-2016 22:24

Right on, Lloyd!

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Alan G Gass, FAIA
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12.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 05-26-2016 18:43

I would be very interested to read the TIME magazine article noted above.  If anyone can send me a link or a citation, I would appreciate it.  I would like to discover how extensive this research was.  

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Douglas Noble FAIA, Ph.D.
University of Southern California, School of Architecture
Los Angeles CA



13.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 05-20-2016 18:14

I'll second Mr. Hoffmann's request.

 

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14.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 05-23-2016 20:10
More than enough.

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15.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 05-20-2016 21:32
I second John's motion.

Ralph Bennett




16.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 05-21-2016 02:51
It is apparent that Fellows are achievers. It is not about Eagle Scouts as there are many other achievements which, I am sure, present day Fellows reached in younger days including academic success, musical talent, sports and altruistic volunteerism through community and service organizations.

Michael Dixon, FAIA/architect  

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17.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 04-28-2016 17:30

Yes, I was a scout.  Made it all the way to tenderfoot, then dropped out.  I became a Fellow in 1992.  I head up  a 46 person firm with offices in CT, NY and VA.  I see no link whatsoever to scouting.  But, who cares, anyway.

 

John J. Hoffmann, FAIA
President

Hoffmann Architects, Inc.

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18.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 04-28-2016 17:31

Perhaps there should be a control question in the survey as well, such as "How many of today's AIA Fellows were (or wanted to be) hippies while in high school or college?" If any of you were both Eagle Scouts and hippies, I want to meet you!


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19.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 05-01-2016 11:28

Duane:

I look forward to meeting you.  I am an eagle scout and was a flower child of the late 60s/early 1970s and still am, in spirit.  My interest in living off of the land and sustainable design was cultivated in scouting.

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Al Cox, FAIA
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City of Alexandria
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20.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 04-28-2016 19:09
350 Greetings All!

It seems that it may be useful to note Fellows that are 4-H All Stars, recipients of the Golden Triangle of the YMCA or FFA American Star awards or other similar Youth Service/Leadership Organizations to the scouting programs. 

It is most interesting to observe comments on this topic. 

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21.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 04-28-2016 23:27
I became an Eagle Scout in Troop 62 in Summit NJ in 1954.Our church
nurtured a great program that was based on adventure and learning and
not on award achievement. Walter A. Hunt, Jr. FAIA






22.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 04-29-2016 21:29
I totally agree.  There is a link between Eagle Scouts and Fellowship.
 
My identical twin brother Morris Brown, FAIA and I are both Eagle Scouts.  We have benefited all our lives from the training we learned in the Boy Scouts.  Attending high school in a small rural town in Montana did not prepare us for the world of architecture but Scouting made the difference.  Scouting provided us with the tools to create a professional life by promoting activities that lead to personal responsibility and high self-esteem and helped us develop academic skills, self-confidence, ethics, and leadership skills that have influenced our adult lives. 
 
As a result, we are the only twins to be elevated to the College of Fellows and have lived a life of servant leadership.  Morris and I are both Distinguished Alumnus of Texas Tech School of Architecture, and we both have earned the BSA District Award of Merit, Silver Beaver Award and Doctorate of Commissioner Science Degree.
 
 Terrance J. Brown, FAIA
2016 Kemper Award
2004 Whitney Young Jr. Award





23.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 05-02-2016 17:36

My very first Merit Badge of the 21 earned to become an Eagle Scout was, as you might guess…Architecture.

 

Joe M. McCall, FAIA

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24.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 04-27-2016 17:27
Ditto!
I concur. No linkage/connection. . .

Armando L. Gonzalez, FAIA
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25.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 04-27-2016 19:01

I was neither a Boy Scout nor an Eagle Scout, although my husband was. He, however, is neither a Fellow nor an architect.

 

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26.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 04-27-2016 22:33
Hi Over Achievers.

Yes, I was an Eagle Scout in 1957 and later Order of the Arrow. FAIA in 1992.

Duh? Of course there is a correlation with my generation.

Wayne


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27.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 04-27-2016 09:44

Hi Jud,

Scouting has been a big part of my life. While only going so far as a youth myself, I became hooked as an adult. Raising two Eagle Scouts and shepherding a number of others, my proudest moments came in service to others through being a Scoutmaster, Jamboree Scoutmaster, Wood Badge staffer and Course Director, Order of the Arrow (Vigil Honor) and eventually Vice President of Council for Properties (the architect in me). I think the funnest thing to do was teach the Pioneering Merit Badge (building things with sticks, logs and ropes).

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28.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 04-28-2016 17:23

I was not in Scouting.  But both of my sons were and both achieved Eagle Scout rank.

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Richard Archer FAIA
Overland Partners
San Antonio TX



29.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 04-30-2016 00:13
I grew up at Mentone, Alabama, population 300+/-.  There were no Boy Scout opportunities anywhere close to Mentone, even though, my Dad sold a 90 acre lake to the Boy Scouts when I was adolescent for $60,000.00.  Our family of 7 kids thought we had died and gone to Heaven with this kind of money.  The Hugh Moss Comer Camp still exists there in Mentone today, at the Lake that my dad built.
Boy Scout opportunities were never available to me, although growing up in the backwoods of Mentone were the best.

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30.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 04-28-2016 17:39

Sorry to say I grew up on a ranch in West Texas and was too far from town to participate in scouting.  Evidently I missed out on a lot of great program and know many Eagle Scouts who are mostly very successful.

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Richard Bundy FAIA
President
Bundy, Young, Sims & Potter, Inc.
Wichita Falls TX



31.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 04-28-2016 17:51

Neither. I did play in a Rock and Roll band.

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Jim Poteet FAIA
Poteet Architects, LP
San Antonio TX



32.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 04-29-2016 21:11

I was in the Scouts for a few years and earned the rank of Life Scout. 

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William Roger FAIA
Architect
HOK Architects, Inc
San Francisco CA



33.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 04-30-2016 23:07

My father grew up on an Iowa farm and became an Eagle Scout.  When I was 11, he and I signed up instead for Indian Guides, a YMCA alternative based on father/son pairs gathering to enjoy outdoor pastimes and a smidgen of Native American lore. As I recall our suburban Ohio tribe built an electric campfire, as well as a tepee. 

Our group, and our friends in Scouting (not counting girls' organizations, which were opaque to us) learned basics of leadership, loyalty, competitiveness, and the rough skills of our WASP elders.  What we didn't learn, and were at times implicitly taught to avoid, were several key values of architecture:  an ability to hear, engage, mentor, and collaborate with people unlike ourselves; an understanding of social responsibility, including a will to provide livable places in the face of expediency; a love of urbanism as well as nature; a respect for aesthetic achievement together with technology and craft.

Both Scouting and the AIA have come a way since the era of square-jawed Mark Trails and Howard Roarks.  To the extent Scouts and other youth organizations are willing to go farther along with us, we should be glad to have them.  But the long-ago culture of Scouting is too antithetical to the current goals of the College of Fellows and the AIA as a whole.  Let's bank this campfire.

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Robert L. Miller FAIA
Robert L. Miller Associates
Washington DC



34.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 03-18-2017 14:39

Mr. Kline,

My interest in scouting and architecture began when I was in the third grade. I became an Eagle Scout before I graduated from the eighth grade. I have continued in scouting, served in almost every post in Scouting and been awarded several awards and medals.  My Eagle certificate is one of the few signed by John F. Kennedy as President.  I was elevated to Fellowship in the Institute in 2001, when I was 54.  My observation now tells me that is a young age to be made a Fellow.  I continued in Scouting at all levels of service until 2005 when my son became an Eagle Scout.  A year later, I transitioned out of scouting to start thinking of retirement (I am finding retirement to be an odd thing for an architect and as a sole proprietor, difficult).  In retirement, I am doing some things I have left lying undone but will most likely return to scouting soon.

Is there a correlation?  Perhaps in the understanding of human nature and the culture around us, it might just be coincidental that Architects who become Fellows are also Eagle Scouts.  Is there a link, I doubt it.  For instance, I am also an instrument rated multi engine pilot…there are very few of those who are Eagle Scouts.  Fellows who are Eagle Scouts, and so rated: well, I might just be the only one.  Is there a link?  No, I don't think there is.

I think the conclusion you might be looking for is that Eagle Scouts by virtue of their leadership abilities, rise to the levels of Fellowship in the AIA, But Eagle Scouts everywhere do that in whatever their profession.  Being and Eagle in the profession of Architecture does not necessarily mean that one will become a Fellow.

My final thought is that it is a Constant that Eagle Scouts will rise to leadership wherever they are…the fact that the ranks of the College of Fellows of the AIA has a few members who are Eagle Scouts is notable, but not unusual and certainly, I believe, not linked.



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Don Swofford FAIA
Principal
Don A Swofford Architect
Charlottesville VA
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35.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 03-20-2017 18:07

Interesting.  I just became an FAIA and I too was an Eagle Scout, as well as a scoutmaster, briefly.  Allen

 

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36.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 03-21-2017 17:30
Well, Add my name too. Eagle in 1955 and Fellow in 1995..

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Homer Williams FAIA
WSKF Architects
Kansas City MO
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37.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 03-21-2017 17:44
Don Swofford,
There are at least two of us -- I am an instrument rated multi-engine pilot too. With my Eagle in 1955 and became Fellow in 1995

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Homer Williams FAIA, D.Arch
WSKF Architects
Kansas City MO
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38.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 03-21-2017 19:00
May there also be a positive, mutually beneficial link, between AIA, College of Fellows and US Peace Corps?

Tom
J. Tom Ashley III, FAIA (2002)
Architect Emeritus
Returned Peace Corps Volunteer
Romania 2009-2013
Ghana 2014-2016

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39.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 03-22-2017 17:41

In response to Tom Ashley, FAIA:

 

Michael A. Dixon, FAIA (1995)

AIA Emeritus (2016)

Returned Peace Corps Volunteer

Ukraine (2011-2014, extended but evacuated due to the revolution and invasion by Russia)

Armenia (Response 2015)

Kosovo (Response 2016)

 

Michael A. Dixon, FAIA/architect
HDR/Berggren Architects
Cheyenne, Wyoming
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40.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 03-29-2017 10:48

While I never became an Eagle, I did earn my Heart badge of which I am very proud and also Scouting in general.

 

At one time, the Corps of Cadets at Texas A&M offered free scholarships to all Eagle Scouts.

 

Hi Don, what a good response you made. It was nice to be with you in Abilene.

 

Jimmy Tittle FAIA

 

 

 






41.  RE: Is there a Link between Eagle Scouts, Gold Award or Quartermasters and Fellows?

Posted 03-31-2017 08:21
I agree with James McManus that this discussion is frivolous, if not silly.  There is no question that architects who are elevated to the College of Fellows have distinguishing qualities, the most important of which is simply "drive."   No one ever got into the COF sitting on his/her ass.  People with "drive" or "ambition" or "dedication" or "commitment", call it what you will, often demonstrate those qualities throughout their lives.  How that quality manifests during their early life is entirely dependent upon the opportunities available to them during that period. Those for whom "Scouting" of whatever flavor was an available option likely would have excelled in that activity exactly as they have excelled in their career.  They also may well have been President of their Student Council, or President of their Honor Society, or  whatever other activity offered an opportunity for service and achievement.  Not saying that "Scouting" is not a worthy activity, only that is one of many conduits by which young people can exercise energy and commitment. And, yes, AIA Fellows are a pretty outstanding group.   Having established this controversial point, it's time, as James pointed out, to move on to more important issues. 

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Daniel Nall FAIA
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