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Girl Scouts have also become fellows

  • 1.  Girl Scouts have also become fellows

    Posted 03-23-2017 02:32

    Fellow Architects-

    Your august female fellows also find among us many former Girl Scouts-holding the same values and merit that have brought us to the College of Fellows.

    Rona G. Rothenberg, FAIA

    Government Architect, Oakland California

    Girl Scout, 1960-70

    College of Fellows, 2008

  • 2.  RE: Girl Scouts have also become fellows

    Posted 03-24-2017 17:27
    I am glad to see the Girl Scouts mentioned because scouting is for all, but most women have not been Boy Scouts.  Basically, any leadership opportunity of course shapes us as we are growing up.

    Martha Bell FAIA
    Tilton Kelly & Bell, L.L.C.
    Chicago IL

  • 3.  RE: Girl Scouts have also become fellows

    Posted 03-27-2017 17:23
    I just keep thinking of how I didn't last in Brownies because I wanted to do things differently.  Perhaps that is the pattern that influenced my Fellowship.  

    Mary Brush FAIA
    Principal, Architect, Owner
    Brush Architects, LLC
    Chicago IL
    'building climber'

  • 4.  RE: Girl Scouts have also become fellows

    Posted 03-29-2017 15:03

    I have been watching this discussion for months now. While I have great respect for scouting and the lessons it teaches, it seems to me this whole dialog is very frivolous considering the state this country is currently in.  The President has rolled back 8 years of hard work to set standards for air and water quality in this country. North Korea is threatening international nuclear war,  major social issues are threatened and our democracy is under siege from our adversaries.

    Don't you think we should have something to say on these important issues of the day?

    Frankly, the number of former or current scouts who are Fellows is not high on my list of major issues>


  • 5.  RE: Girl Scouts have also become fellows

    Posted 03-30-2017 17:25
    I couldn't agree more. It's become an embarrassment 
    thank you

    Allyne Winderman FAIA
    California State Polytechnic University
    Los Angeles CA

  • 6.  RE: Girl Scouts have also become fellows

    Posted 03-31-2017 18:17

    Yes, with all due respect to the scouts and the Fellows involved in this conversation, it's embarrassing that the Fellows Digest has nothing more important to discuss at this time.


    John Morris Dixon, FAIA

  • 7.  RE: Girl Scouts have also become fellows

    Posted 04-03-2017 16:30


    Thank you, Allyne Winderman and James McManus!  Time to work on real issues instead of self-congratulating ourselves.



  • 8.  RE: Girl Scouts have also become fellows

    Posted 03-30-2017 17:41
    James McManus has this right!!
    Jean Carroon, FAIA, LEED Fellow
    Principal - Design, Preservation and Sustainability
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  • 9.  RE: Girl Scouts have also become fellows

    Posted 03-30-2017 19:04
    Yes to that....

  • 10.  RE: Girl Scouts have also become fellows

    Posted 03-24-2017 17:36
    Please note that my original discussion and investigation included women. I referenced both the Boy Scout Eagle Award, the Girl Scout Gold Award as well as the Sea Explorer Quartermaster Award. During the course of my study and poll, I had responses from many women who achieved this award.

    Unfortunately, the response to the survey poll was a bit thin altogether with only about 100 responses out of the total of the COF. So while the result were interesting, I am not sure that they could provide a totally accurate picture. Suffice it to say, I concluded that of those members of the COF who were involved in scouting in their youth, over 2/3 of them achieved the Eagle, Gold and Quartermaster Awards. The noted outcome suggests to me that achievement, leadership and strong value foundation at a young age results in an ongoing commitment to those same ideals in professional and community life. It is therefore, no surprise these individuals rise to become  AIA Fellows.

    Judson Kline, FAIA
    CIVITAD Services, LLC
    Cleveland, Ohio

  • 11.  RE: Girl Scouts have also become fellows

    Posted 03-27-2017 18:53

    Okay, time for an alternative perspective.  I became a Fellow in 2009, primarily due to my leading firms through a variety of difficult practice management and strategic planning issues, and for my contributions to the profession.  I was also requested by the fathers of my Boy Scouts troop to leave the Boy Scouts when I was in 9th grade, as they thought I was a poor leadership model due solely to the fact that I never rose above a First Class scout nor pursued a single merit badge.  I explained that awards and merit batches did not resonate with me even though I developed many of the skills, won many competitions and mentored others to achieve awards and merit badges that far outranked me.


    Perhaps there is another aspect to leadership that is inherent in many of the architects with whom I interact: a natural questioning of tradition, conformity and values.


    I look back on my scouting days fondly, even though I complied with the request to leave my troop.  I also admired the Eagle Scouts in my troop, not for their achievement but for their dedication to their chosen goals.  I simply wish that the "leaders" of our troop had been more openminded about various leadership paths and demonstrations of achievement.



    Michael Strogoff, FAIA

    Strogoff Consulting, Inc.

    p: 415.383.7011

    c: 415.717.2755



    ownership transitions . mergers & acquisitions . practice management . leadership development . talent placement

  • 12.  RE: Girl Scouts have also become fellows

    Posted 03-29-2017 07:16
    A less biased question that might have yielded a more robust response would have been: "what experiences did you have at a young age that built your leadership skills and values?"  You presumed that the response was scouting, but there may be many other experiences, such as playing a musical instrument, leading a church choir, or caring for one's younger siblings that could have built the same skills.

    Sharon Egretta Sutton FAIA, PhD
    University of Washington, Department of Architecture
    New York NY
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  • 13.  RE: Girl Scouts have also become fellows

    Posted 03-30-2017 17:28
    Thank you, Sharon! I never made it beyond Junior Girl Scout, but I did enjoy the experiences of camaraderie and collaboration that membership in such a group involved!

    AIA Fellows Class of 1995 (I think the same year as you, Sharon!)

    Val Glitsch FAIA, LEED AP
    Val Glitsch, FAIA, Architect
    Eugene OR

  • 14.  RE: Girl Scouts have also become fellows

    Posted 03-31-2017 10:38
    Great points, Sharon !!! Michael

    Michael Nieminen FAIA
    Kliment Halsband Architects
    New York NY

  • 15.  RE: Girl Scouts have also become fellows

    Posted 04-03-2017 20:40
    Yes indeed! Awake at the wheel, keepin it real!
    R. Steven Lewis, FAIA, NOMAC, LEED AP
    City of Detroit
    Design Director, Central Region
    Planning & Development Department
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    c: 202.403.1932


  • 16.  RE: Girl Scouts have also become fellows

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  • 17.  RE: Girl Scouts have also become fellows

    Posted 12-12-2018 18:20
    As some of you may recall, I pursued a survey of the Fellows to identify the number who were Boy Scout Eagle Scout Award, Girl Scout Gold Award  and Sea Explorer Quartermaster Award recipients. While of the 82 responses I received is hardly a significant test model, I was struck by the numbers of women who responded to the request. While this was an interesting investigation and not definitive by any means, it suggests to me there are values gained through both the Boy and Girl Scouts that resonate with those of the COF. In this regard, we need to partner with the Scouts as we seek to build our next generation. This in mind, the Boy Scouts have reached out to both young women and young men in the development of career path programs. Among them is a program for Architect Explorers. This is an important opportunity we need to expand upon. The Lake Erie Scout Council in Cleveland enlisted AIA Cleveland to be the facilitator for Architect Explorer Post 14 which is populated by both boys and girls.  Let's not miss this moment to be involved.

    Judson Kline, FAIA
    CIVITAD Services, LLC
    Cleveland, Ohio

  • 18.  RE: Girl Scouts have also become fellows

    Posted 12-12-2018 19:54
    You can add one more Girl Scout Gold Award and God and Country to the list (me).
    Thank you,
    Paula Loomis

    Paula Loomis FAIA, PhD, FSAME
    Norfolk VA

  • 19.  RE: Girl Scouts have also become fellows

    Posted 12-16-2018 10:11
    Count me in as a long-time Girl Scout and supporter.  
    Rona G. Rothenberg, FAIA
    Associate DBIA, LEED Green Assoc.
    AIA-CA VP Government Relations 2019-20
    Member, City of Alameda Planning Board 2018-22
    Capital Program Manager, County of Alameda, CA
    Mentor and Volunteer, Girls Inc. of the Island City

  • 20.  RE: Girl Scouts have also become fellows

    Posted 12-17-2018 21:43
    This is good news indeed! But we still have ways to go with existing buildings. Existing buildings are over 90% of the housing stock. Upgrading to net zero buildings is still costly and the clock is ticking. We have 11 years and 11 months to turn things around.
    We need bigger incentives for envelope improvements. An MIT study shows that the incentives for PV had a very positive effect by making PV more affordable. What incentives can be most effective for envelope improvements? Perhaps these are not as sexy as promoting PV, but could have an even larger effect when considering non toxic material resources and simpler more resilient technology.

    Franziska Amacher, FAIA LEED AP

  • 21.  RE: Girl Scouts have also become fellows

    Posted 12-18-2018 18:53
    This is the critical question: How to upgrade our existing buildings to zero. According the  latest UN Global Status report, emissions from existing buildings are responsible for about 28% of global GHG emissions. Embodied emission from materials and construction are responsible for about 11%. 
    We are currently adding less than 2% to our building stock every year, so we can't build our way out of this with new net zero buildings, we need to fix what we already have. Another reason to upgrade existing buildings to zero is they have a much lower carbon footprint compared to building new net zero buildings.

    This is a hard thing to incentivize. Getting cities, universities and other entities with climate action plans, to recognize the importance of existing buildings and embodied carbon might be another path to make it happen.

    Besides envelope upgrades and adding PV's, I would add we should be converting existing buildings to all electric and eliminating on-site fossil fuels. This is another important strategy, especially in areas where the the grid is decarbonizing. 

    Larry Strain, FAIA  LEED AP

    S I E G E L  &  S T R A I N  A r c h i t e c t s
    6201 Doyle Street, Emeryville, CA  94608
    510.547.8092 x103   fax 510.547.2604
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    lstrain@siegelstrain.com   www.siegelstrain.com

  • 22.  RE: Girl Scouts have also become fellows

    Posted 12-20-2018 08:08



    Rather than talk amongst ourselves, perhaps it is time for AIA to involve the Building Owners and Managers Association (BOMA), the National Association of Home Builders (NAHB), the National Multi-Housing Council (NMHC), and the Association of General Contractors (AGC) on this subject of what to do with our existing building stock and the AIA 2030 agenda and the advancement of the framework. Other organizations that could assist would be ASRHAE International and the US-Department of Energy/Pacific Northwest National Laboratory for information and support from the energy side. From there, perhaps other materially affect organizations or parties can join over time. Thoughts?


    Jonathan Humble, FAIA, NCARB, LEED BD+C


  • 23.  RE: Girl Scouts have also become fellows

    Posted 12-21-2018 17:30
    Should also include the International Facility Management Association (IFMA) in the discussion.

    Edmond Gauvreau, FAIA
    Washington, DC

  • 24.  RE: Girl Scouts have also become fellows

    Posted 12-13-2018 17:23
    ​Having been a Girl Scout and a Girl Scout Leader and Council Board member, and a Boy Scout Leader with an Eagle Scout son, I am a big supporter of Scouting. Although never a Gold recipient, it has made an impact upon my life and the lives of our children, both young
    architects and both leaders.

    Betsey Dougherty FAIA
    PERKINS EASTMAN |Dougherty
    Costa Mesa CA

  • 25.  RE: Girl Scouts have also become fellows

    Posted 12-13-2018 22:09
    On the possible correlation between being an Eagle Scout and election to AIA College of Fellows, Sally reminds me that in the end, on such matters, I am usually much more satisfied if I say nothing at all.


    John Nyfeler, FAIA
    Consulting Architect

    P. O. Box 4479
    Austin, Texas   78765-4479

  • 26.  RE: Girl Scouts have also become fellows

    Posted 12-18-2018 14:06
    I was a girl scout growing up but only made it through Juniors because my troop disbanded after elementary school. I continued to always have a fondness for scouting and became a Girl Scout troop leader, participated in Area committees, various Council committees such as their building/property committee. I also encouraged both the children to be a part of scouting. My son achieved his Eagle Scout and my daughter her Gold Award. If you stay in scouting long enough you have the benefit of leadership. When you get to the higher levels there are more girl/boy lead activities and program management that leads to greater leadership development and the ability to work together. Some troops are combined levels where the older scouts lead the troop. This is beneficial. But my greatest reward was the development of Cookie Box Creations where we team girl scouts with women architects, designers, builders and engineers to building structures out of empty cookie boxes. This program continues to run since 2004 in various councils across the US.

    Charyl McAfee-Duncan FAIA
    McAfee3 Architects, inc.
    Dallas TX