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I am all for an oath but believe it must contain no partisan political position or even a hint of one.

  • 1.  I am all for an oath but believe it must contain no partisan political position or even a hint of one.

    Posted 03-05-2019 23:28
    Homer L. Williams, D.Arch, FAIA,
    Kansas City, MO

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  • 2.  RE: I am all for an oath but believe it must contain no partisan political position or even a hint of one.

    Posted 03-07-2019 00:39
    Homer:  I don't see anything political about any of the listed oath affirmations.   If you are going to make that statement, can you be specific as to what you see to be political, or what you would consider out of line to be included.   In my office I know that there are those who believe that climate change is not real, but as we have discussed, there is an easy way to include an affirmation of our obligation to stewardship of the earth and its resources.   That sort of statement in my mind makes it a-political and bipartisan.   Are those types of things your concerns or what.   Give us something to chew on.  Thanks.

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    Richard von Luhrte FAIA
    Denver CO
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  • 3.  RE: I am all for an oath but believe it must contain no partisan political position or even a hint of one.

    Posted 03-08-2019 12:35
    To say that Fellows of the AIA should be for conserving and preserving the planet is fine. Partisan language that includes any political talking point is not. The Devil is nearly always in the details so it is nearly impossible to react to specific language until it is written or spoken.

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    Dr. Homer L. Williams FAIA
    WSKF Architects
    Kansas City MO
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  • 4.  RE: I am all for an oath but believe it must contain no partisan political position or even a hint of one.

    Posted 03-11-2019 23:47
    Perhaps the oath we might take at the Installation Ceremony and it could be included on the certificate of recognition. Kind of like the "Hippocratic Oath". Perhaps it might be worded like this:

    "In accepting elevation into the American Institute of Architects College of Fellows,
    I am committed to practice my profession with respect and concern for my
    colleagues, my clients, my community and the environment. 
    I will guide, prepare and encourage the next generation of architects.
    I will follow the AIA Code of Ethics and represent the qualities and purposes 
    of the College of Fellows." 

    Please feel free to offer any comments or suggestions.


    Judson A. Kline, FAIA, NCARB, LEED AP
    President CIVITAD Services, LLC
    3959 Orangewood Drive Orange Village, OH 44122
    www.civitadservices.com  





  • 5.  RE: I am all for an oath but believe it must contain no partisan political position or even a hint of one.

    Posted 03-12-2019 11:16

    I would support this one. Thanks Judson






  • 6.  RE: I am all for an oath but believe it must contain no partisan political position or even a hint of one.

    Posted 03-12-2019 19:41
    I would only be willing to sign if there was some mention of climate change, the biggest challenge yet to face humanity. I feel so strongly about it that I´ve written a book about it, soon to come out:  THE URBAN FIX: Resilient Cities in the War against Climate Change, Heat Islands and Overpopulation.
    Sincerely,
    Doug

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    Douglas Kelbaugh FAIA Kelbaugh FAIA FCNU 2016 Topaz Medallion Laureate
    Professor Professor and former Dean
    University of Michigan
    Ann Arbor MI
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  • 7.  RE: I am all for an oath but believe it must contain no partisan political position or even a hint of one.

    Posted 03-13-2019 01:46
    Judson, this is terrific but I believe it should be for all architects, beginning first with all AIA members and then accepted by NCARB for all licensed architects.

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  • 8.  RE: I am all for an oath but believe it must contain no partisan political position or even a hint of one.

    Posted 03-08-2019 18:59
    96% or 97% of all scientists agree there's human-caused climate change. The skeptics agree there's climate change but no proof of human causation. Sadly, the skeptics' research is often funded by conservative and/or pro-fossil-fuel groups.
    It's irresponsible to honor these nay-sayers.
    There's no time to delay aggressive action.

    Climate change is is an essential element of the oath - an absolutely critical and urgent challenge to civilization.

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    Douglas Kelbaugh FAIA Kelbaugh FAIA FCNU 2016 Topaz Medallion Laureate
    Professor Professor and former Dean
    University of Michigan
    Ann Arbor MI
    DouglasKelbaugh
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  • 9.  RE: I am all for an oath but believe it must contain no partisan political position or even a hint of one.

    Posted 03-08-2019 21:26
    There have been 4 ice ages with subsequent rises in temperature, before there were humans! There will always be climate change. If you wish to assert that current changes are solely because of humans, then I believe you’re wrong.
    To make such a preamble for architectural Fellowship is misguided!

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  • 10.  RE: I am all for an oath but believe it must contain no partisan political position or even a hint of one.

    Posted 03-08-2019 21:57
    Actually, you are right that climate change is a part of the earth’s cycle. But the real scientific evidence is that the speed in which the earth is changing has changed significantly. What took thousands ands thousands of years is occurring at an unprecedented rate brought about by our contribution of carbon dioxide, the accelerated rate of the warming of the oceans, the loss of polar ice and the warming effect of pollution in our atmosphere. If that isn’t reason for us to accept the reality that unless we do something, man’s days on this planet are greatly compromised if not seriously threatened. I for one believe that as architects, we are on the front line because construction creates one of the most significant carbon footprints. I am not a tree hugger. But I believe our greatest contribution to society is good design, which is not the product of star architecture, but habitable communities that are safe, equitable and sustainable to the extent of carbon neutrality. And that is not political. Rather it is a strong belief that if we don’t take action, then we won’t have to debate it much longer while we watch Mother Earth do what it will to eliminate this nuisance called man, and set the table for something better. That is not liberalism, nor conservatism, but it is a strong religious conviction that we must take care of the planet, decrease our footprint and hope that it is not already past the tipping point. This blog is out our values, our ethics, and our moral obligations, not political in any way shape and form.

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  • 11.  RE: I am all for an oath but believe it must contain no partisan political position or even a hint of one.

    Posted 03-08-2019 22:00
    If you look at those 4 ice ages and subsequent warming periods versus GHGs (essentially carbon) in the atmosphere, you will be very surprised. The rise and fall in global temperature closely followed the rise and fall of GHGs in the atmosphere.
    The current amount of GHGs in the atmosphere is roughly twice what it was when temperatures peaked in the previous cycles. 2X!!

    This myth perpetrated by CC skeptics - almost always on the right - is dishonest and dangerous. Many Americans who buy into the myth may not be dishonest, but they are grossly misled.

    Our kids and and grandkids will be slow to forgive us for robbing them of quality and longevity of their lives.

    If the AIA, which can and does design a less-carbon-intensive built environment, cannot officially and aggressively commit to CC mitigation and adaptation, we are a weak-kneed organization. It is a moral/ethical responsibility and duty.

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    Douglas Kelbaugh FAIA Kelbaugh FAIA FCNU 2016 Topaz Medallion Laureate
    Professor Professor and former Dean
    University of Michigan
    Ann Arbor MI
    DouglasKelbaugh
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  • 12.  RE: I am all for an oath but believe it must contain no partisan political position or even a hint of one.

    Posted 03-09-2019 12:32

    I care as much about "Mother Earth" as any of you and have, at times, been accused of "hugging trees". I don't accept all of the "information" that has been put forth as I have seen it become a political tool. My concern, however, is that you seem to be intent on making the Fellowship of AIA dependent on acceptance of a political position. Go ahead and write this "oath" as you will  but you had better be careful of the results if it favors a political party or viewpoint! I don't intend to continue this endless banter as I have said what I needed to say. Good people can differ, and may both be right to an extent but do NOT ask me to take an "oath" to support something that is partisan.  






  • 13.  RE: I am all for an oath but believe it must contain no partisan political position or even a hint of one.

    Posted 03-09-2019 14:32
    I don't see accepting the the prevailing science of climate change as political.
    Doug
    ps - I now there are CC deniers and skeptics, but have never actually met one. I think it's an increasingly small minority.

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    Douglas Kelbaugh FAIA Kelbaugh FAIA FCNU 2016 Topaz Medallion Laureate
    Professor Professor and former Dean
    University of Michigan
    Ann Arbor MI
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  • 14.  RE: I am all for an oath but believe it must contain no partisan political position or even a hint of one.

    Posted 03-11-2019 17:39
    The AIA already has raised the issue of climate change with statements by President Infante.  Are we the old guard looking to avoid disrupting the status quo?  Climate change is taken as fact by liberals and conservatives all over the globe except here in the US.

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    Josiah Stevenson FAIA
    Leers Weinzapfel Associates Architects
    Boston MA
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  • 15.  RE: I am all for an oath but believe it must contain no partisan political position or even a hint of one.

    Posted 03-12-2019 10:43
    All,
    I have been following the conversation on the proposals for an Architect's Oath.  Last week during Grassroots I was able to speak with several members of the Board of Directors, along with the current Chancellor of the College of Fellows.  On the issue of the oath, I see a couple of actions that need attention:

    1.  Wording - Lots of good discussion to date.  I suggest forming a formal workgroup within the larger AIA membership to help work this.  One way is to put in a motion at the A'19 General Business Meeting, asking AIA to establish a group to develop an oath, with a report out at the A'20 Conference on Design.

    2.  Implementation - This is the harder nut to crack.  Should this be a condition of AIA Membership?  If so, when is it issued and how?  If a condition of licensure, then coordination with NAAB is necessary and the state licensing boards - not sure we can mandate the individual states to adopt an oath as a condition of licensure.  Same thing with the schools of architecture - need coordination with ACSA (Association of Collegiate Schools of Architecture).

    In either case, we as a group need to design a strategy and proposals that AIA and COF can accept and further develop, plus continued engagement by all of us on this board to assure that the end result meets our goals.

    My idea - shorter is better, focus on the 2-3 main tenets of what architects should aspire and commit to.  Judson's version is a good example.


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    Edmond Gauvreau, FAIA
    Washington, DC
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  • 16.  RE: I am all for an oath but believe it must contain no partisan political position or even a hint of one.

    Posted 03-14-2019 10:53
    Hello Edmond, all,

    I believe the Oath's acceptance should be a condition for AIA Membership. While I was Chair of the NEC some years ago an idea was floated to make members aware of the AIA Code of Ethics. The idea was that, at the time of AIA membership renewal online, a commitment to adhere to the AIA Code of Ethics (and a copy of the document) would come up as a box where the member would press "Accept". This is similar to many online applications that submit their terms prior to downloading. Just felt I should share this idea at this time.
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    Benjamin Vargas, FAIA
    Principal
     
    Bartizan Group PSC
    1250 Ponce de Leon, Suite 601
    San Juan PR   00907





  • 17.  RE: I am all for an oath but believe it must contain no partisan political position or even a hint of one.

    Posted 03-13-2019 17:22
    I would not be willing to have ANY THING about climate change other than "be good stewards of our environment". Climate change has become too political.

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    Steven Ellinger FAIA
    Partner
    Cadco Architects-Engineers, Inc.
    Abilene TX
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  • 18.  RE: I am all for an oath but believe it must contain no partisan political position or even a hint of one.

    Posted 03-13-2019 21:37
    It´s only become political in this country. We need to grow up and face the incontrovertible facts (only disputed by 3% of scientists, most of whom get fund from fossil fuel moguls and companies). Our kids and grandkids will curse us if we leave it out. (Just today all our county employees had a strike to underscore the lack of aggressive-enough CC action, and our huge UM student body had a strike earlier this week.)
    No time to waste, but you need not sign.ç
    Doug

    Doug Kelbaugh FAIA FCNU  2016 Topaz Medallion Laureate
    Emil Lorch Collegiate Professor of Architecture and Urban Planning
    and Dean Emeritus, Taubman College of Architecture & Urban Planning
    University of Michigan
    2000 Bonisteel Blvd., Ann Arbor, MI 48109-2069
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