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Executive Order for Classical Architecture

  • 1.  Executive Order for Classical Architecture

    Posted 6 days ago
    I'm fascinated by these discussions about style. When architecture as we know it is going to have to change.  I'm referring to the effects of climate change and global warming.  And in that sense, we are as much the culprits as the Federal Judges and their misguided notions.

    Just as electric cars are turning automotive design "on its head"; climate change is going to turn architectural design on its head.  

    Think: building orientation, shading, daylighting, building integrated photovoltaics and solar, thermal mass, rainwater retention... and all the rest.  These will actually change how our buildings look and are built in the future.   

    Jim

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  • 2.  RE: Executive Order for Classical Architecture

    Posted 5 days ago
    I'm not sure if the comments made by Tucker Carlson Fox News Tonight on 2/7/2020 were discussed in this blog.  But, please take the time to hear his negative comments regarding architectural styles and architects.  Obviously he does not understand architectural styles and those designs prepared by architects.  This might be an opportunity to educate the media from his platform as a rebuttable.  It's difficult to stand by and listen to news anchors bash the architectural profession as well as be insulted.  Hopefully it's being addressed already.  It's titled, Unaesthetic Modern Architecture of Federal Buildings.  You can find it at  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHQrVSvBs70 

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    Robert Cozzarelli FAIA
    Architect / Owner
    Cozzarelli Cirminiello Architects
    Belleville NJ
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  • 3.  RE: Executive Order for Classical Architecture

    Posted 5 days ago
    Hmmm Robert, actually I was a classmate of Tom Mayne (1965 vs 1966 USC).  And Frank Gehry came through about a decade earlier.  Neither, I think, will be hurt by publicity like this.
    Jim


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  • 4.  RE: Executive Order for Classical Architecture

    Posted 4 days ago
    I also thought T. Carlson's comments showed a shallow understanding of architectural history. 
    Doug Kelbaugh FAIA
    Emil Lorch Collegiate Professor of Architecture and Urban Planning
    and Dean Emeritus
    Taubman College of Architecture & Urban Planning
    University of Michigan
    2000 Bonisteel Blvd., Ann Arbor, MI 48109-2069
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  • 5.  RE: Executive Order for Classical Architecture

    Posted 4 days ago
    Gloves are off now. Tucker Carlson is an idiot making a very simplistic argument but if it’s on Fox News you know it’s got the President’s attention.
    There are many ugly, out of context and badly constructed “classical” buildings too.

    Guy Geier FAIA, FIIDA, LEED
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    FXCollaborative Architects LLP
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  • 6.  RE: Executive Order for Classical Architecture

    Posted 4 days ago
    Dear all
    The coverage tonight on PBS's "All Things Considered" was very disappointing.  Nothing was said about the need for issues of climate change, zero carbon buildings and energy use to guide the design of public buildings.   Instead there were interviews about other Classical buildings that might serve as examples.  This is one more case of how we are not listened to.
    The government CAN NOT dictate styles of architecture any more than dictating what literary or artistic style is acceptable..
    We must speak out about this issue not only for us but other disciplines.
    Best
    Jan Wampler



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    Jan Wampler FAIA
    Jamaica Plain MA
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  • 7.  RE: Executive Order for Classical Architecture

    Posted 2 days ago

    Is History repeating itself?  Albert Speer bashed the Bauhaus designs while making neoclassicism the official Third 

    Reich architectural style.  Let's hope not.




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    John Caldwell FAIA
    Redondo Beach CA
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  • 8.  RE: Executive Order for Classical Architecture

    Posted 3 days ago
    Thank you for bring our attention to the dreadful Tucker Carlson. As appalling as he is, and as crude his analysis, he is not entirely wrong. These massive government buildings are brutal and dehumanizing but that would also be true if they were to be built in the "classical" style so-called. He is right, and I think most of us would generally agree, that buildings reflect the society for which they stand and the bureaucracies they house.
    Washington I find an enormously depressing city for that reason alone, an exercise in massive statist power. A elegant counter-example perhaps, of the US being advertised as a massively powerful country, is the old Eero Saarinen embassy in London. Appropriate for its purpose and site in the center of the 51st state, but not at all appropriate for let's say Health and Human Services in the nation's capital.
    It doesn't do us any good to get on our high horses and accept the premises of the argument as presented. Rather let us think of the issue from the point of view of Tucker Carlson's audience.
    As much as I admire the thinking of Jan Wampler (in this thread as elsewhere), I do not think architecture can be reduced to an issue of energy efficiency or sustainability. Those criteria are necessary but not sufficient. If we think of our government as friendly and accessible and of a scale at which one individual can conduct business, the issue becomes on of scale and massing, not of 'style' per se.I am trying to think of such a US government building that would be an excellent exemplar of those criteria, or even an instance of corporate architecture that fulfills those goals. The Ford Foundation building in NY? The Finns and the Danes have sensationally beautiful embassies all over the world, buildings that reflect humanism rather than naked power, bureaucratic or otherwise. Any examples anyone?

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    Hubert Murray FAIA
    Cambridge MA
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  • 9.  RE: Executive Order for Classical Architecture

    Posted 3 days ago
    Remember Hitler closed the Bauhaus do to artistic issues. Here we go again.

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    Jeffrey Rosenblum FAIA




  • 10.  RE: Executive Order for Classical Architecture

    Posted 3 days ago
    I never both with these discussions, but this one has my attention; it is scary stuff. Trump is a cultural… looking for a word that is less offensive than what I am thinking. He has shown a proclivity to dig in when pushed and never back down and has shown contempt for architects throughout his career, so this executive order looks likely. The Wall Street Journal has two op/ed pieces on this, one in favor one against. The comments section is telling with the sentiment in support of this order seeming to be strong. I doubt we as a group can stop the order, not that we shouldn't try. We will need the support of the entire creative community to get any traction, but since that community is not part of the "base", I doubt our thoughts will matter. Next, we are going to be burning books and banning contemporary  art  too. Seems like the beginning of something that is really scary. Hope 2020 elections can fix this.

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    John Hayes FAIA
    Blackney Hayes Architects
    Philadelphia PA
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  • 11.  RE: Executive Order for Classical Architecture

    Posted 5 days ago

    Maybe we could get permission to do the solar panels in Greek Revival.

     

     

     

    Duane Jonlin, FAIA

    Energy Code and Energy Conservation Advisor

    City of Seattle Department of Construction and Inspections

    P.O. Box 34019, Seattle, WA 98124-4019

    P: 206.233.2781  duane.jonlin@seattle.gov

    Helping people build a safe, livable, and inclusive Seattle.

     






  • 12.  RE: Executive Order for Classical Architecture

    Posted 5 days ago
    Dear all
    The situation is very simple.  We can not let this order go through.  If so  architecture will be set back for several generations.  Instead we must demand that not only is this style  completely wrong, but there are larger problems that must be addressed.  Climate change must be the overall issue that federal buildings must address.  The design will come from understanding these issues, not the style coming first.
    If we do not act, then future generations will ask why we did not.
    More active protest should happen now.
    Peace
    Jan Wampler

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    Jan Wampler FAIA
    Jamaica Plain MA
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  • 13.  RE: Executive Order for Classical Architecture

    Posted 4 days ago
    I couldn't agree more with Jan.
    Climate change is THE challenge.
    Doug Kelbaugh FAIA
    Emil Lorch Collegiate Professor of Architecture and Urban Planning
    and Dean Emeritus
    Taubman College of Architecture & Urban Planning
    University of Michigan
    2000 Bonisteel Blvd., Ann Arbor, MI 48109-2069
    Mobile: 734 358-9587 Home: 734 827-2259
    kelbaugh@umich.edu





  • 14.  RE: Executive Order for Classical Architecture

    Posted 5 days ago
    Jim, you are absolutely correct yet unfortunately our President doesn't believe climate change exists, as he clearly expressed at the recent Davos World Conference. He won't care if his new edict conforms with any sustainability principles.
    It's a very sad and serious state of affairs with this person in office.
    And as noted by others on the subject this President who knows little about architectural integrity is acting along the mindset of an autocratic dictator.
    We're in trouble with this person taking actions like this executive order. We need to unify and stop him and furthermore vote in November.

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    Thomas Brutting FAIA
    Consultant
    Independent Consultant
    Vallejo CA
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  • 15.  RE: Executive Order for Classical Architecture

    Posted 3 days ago
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    Hi Everyone,
    I took a stab at a revision to the Executive Order- attached as a pdf.

    Warm Regards,


    -Angie

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  • 16.  RE: Executive Order for Classical Architecture

    Posted 3 days ago
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    Hi Everyone,

    I revised the Executive Order, bringing us into the 21st century.

    Angie

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    Angela Brooks FAIA, LEED AP
    Principal
    Brooks + Scarpa Architects Inc.
    Hawthorne CA
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  • 17.  RE: Executive Order for Classical Architecture

    Posted 3 days ago
    Edited by Richard Buday 3 days ago
    Angie,

    Our country needs you in DC. Please run for President of the United States.

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    Richard Buday FAIA
    Archimage, Inc.
    Houston TX
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  • 18.  RE: Executive Order for Classical Architecture

    Posted 2 days ago
    Awesome!

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  • 19.  RE: Executive Order for Classical Architecture

    Posted 13 hours ago
    Bravo, Angie.

    I enjoy the aspect of raising the bar even higher, especially as in the case of environmental and human performance. Though anecdotal, our projects' federal tenants are typically ecstatic when they relocate from obsolete older or post-modern facilities into a building with flexibility and daylight. I'm not sure what studies they are referring to, but I would be cautious about how the "studies" addressed owned vs. leased space, the quality of the landlord in the case of the latter, and other factors such as relocations to less-favorable sites that often drive federal worker dissatisfaction.

    We can do even better if, like good Modernists, we choose to ask the right questions and solve the right problems.

    Sincerely,

    David Varner
    Vice President / Office Director
    SmithGroup
    Washington, DC

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    David Varner FAIA
    Office Director
    SmithGroup
    Washington DC
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  • 20.  RE: Executive Order for Classical Architecture

    Posted 2 days ago
    Okay, we all agree it is a dumb and mis-guided ( and probably illegal ) idea....so let's see who stands up against GSA for this stupid Executive Order or folds in the face of losing a Federal building design commision. This will be the real test! The entire architectural profession should be boycotting this proposed action, but I can already see those opportunists using this insane policy to obtain design commissions. A very sad state of affairs. Contact your Senator or Congressman, and discuss with your fellow architects. Unity is the key!

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  • 21.  RE: Executive Order for Classical Architecture

    Posted 14 hours ago
    The following are my edits/additions to the AIA letter, directed toward the MAGA proponents.

    American architects count among their ranks some of the most spirited, knowledgeable and creative designers in the world, and the freedom explicit in our national ethos inspires them to produce extraordinarily fine works of architecture in all typologies and uses. Why would we limit the potential of this creative force when it comes to the very buildings that represent us as a nation? Surely it's our freedom to create new and perhaps adventurous designs, using the advanced building materials and technologies that the US has to draw upon that contributes to our nation being the envy of all others. 

    Our democracy is another of our enviable traits, but this sort of top-down approach to the delivery of federal buildings will cut local community voices out of the design process...

    I urge you to reject this draft executive order and not continue to pursue any policy change that would replace local input for Washington bureaucrats within the design process in states and municipalities. 

    We are not Rome, or Ancient Greece, but a shining city on a hill, with the most promise of any society in history, including the Classical world. Let us continue to celebrate the audacious challenge of realizing the promise of that ideal with architecture that is not a product of proscribed formula, but rather a very American synthesis of unbridled individual creativity and passionately held community values.

    PAUL ADAMSON FAIA LEED AP
    Hospitality Studio Director, TCA Architects
    Board of Directors AIA SF
    Instructor Academy of Art University









  • 22.  RE: Executive Order for Classical Architecture

    Posted 10 hours ago
    On Angela/s edits to the EO - all appropriate except I believe the proposed Commission (which already has 3 members) should be abolished.  There is no need for another panel based in Washington DC to pass judgement on architectural style, period.  That is a local issue to be determined by local citizens.  Also, putting "Climate change" as the first two words, while absolutely essential, guarantees that the current Administration will ignore it - with certain exceptions, "climate change" is no longer national policy (unless it occurs to properties owned by the Current Occupant).

    On Paul's comments - those Republicans have gone into hiding or no longer exist - the "base" is only interesting in sticking a finger into the eyes of the "elite", as defined by the Current Occupant, regardless of what happens to them.  As to educating the masses as to the value and beauty that architecture provides, I am afraid that is a cause that will take decades to accomplish, if at all.

    Should this EO go into effect, there are two things which will slow its implementation: refusal of architects to compete for these projects, and the cost of the projects to implement "classical" style. I was in Pennsylvania this weekend and toured the rotunda of the PA State Capitol in Harrisburg - truly a magnificent public structure.  I am sure something along the line of what was built in 1902, along with DC's Union Station and Post Office by Burnham is what the current head of the Commission of Fine Arts has in mind.  However, there is neither the money nor the craftsman available to create that level of detail and workmanship, and Congress does not look favorably on cost increases during design and construction of projects.

    The only way to stop this trend is at the ballot box.  Consider what kind of a country you want to live in and pass along to your children and their children, and vote accordingly.

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    Edmond Gauvreau, FAIA
    Washington, DC
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