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Richard Meier Case

  • 1.  Richard Meier Case

    Posted 02-01-2019 11:27
    I believe Paul D. Spreiregen FAIA has properly identified the issues regarding ethical dilemmas. They must be given due consideration regarding severity, with a higher (clarifying) limit to “ethical dilemmas”. The severity of the “punishment” should reflect the severity of the ethical transgression. From a “slap on the wrist”, to removal from membership in “anything” FAIA.
    With Fellowship being the highest honor for AIA members, ethics must be held to the highest level.
    Respectfully submitted,
    James R. Wooten FAIA


  • 2.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 02-04-2019 18:14
    I agree with James Wooten; in my view Paul Spreiregen's direct analysis and sensible recommendations specifically regarding the Meier case are characteristically 'on point'.

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    Paul Stevenson ("Steve") Oles, FAIA
    Interface Architects
    Santa Fe, New Mexico USA
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  • 3.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 02-11-2019 08:42
    I have been reading about the ongoing court ordered supervision of Audi and Volkswagen following the companies' indictments and am struck by how impervious upper management is to a crisis of their executives' own making. Even with the arrest of the Audi CEO - without bail - the company has refused to fire him. Although ethical transgressions of the sort we have been discussing re. Richard Meier and others may not be criminal infractions, I cannot help thinking that the AIA is proving to be as intractable in its mindset as the leaders of the German car industry. That Audi and VW are on the whole very good cars is not the issue - if you see what I mean.

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    Hubert Murray FAIA
    Cambridge MA
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  • 4.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 02-18-2019 09:46
    Very sad to see the message our profession is sending to the world through this article:  " #MeToo Claims Toppled Architect Richard Meier. Except They Didn't"     https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-13/-metoo-claims-toppled-architect-richard-meier-except-they-didn-t?utm_campaign=news&utm_medium=bd&utm_source=applenews

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    Traci Sooter FAIA
    Drury University
    Springfield MO
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  • 5.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 02-18-2019 10:18
    I agree, Traci Sooter. Compare this to the treatment meted out to Richard Rogers and the Javits Center commission. In 2008 Rogers signed on to a calm and measured joint letter publicly criticizing Israel's treatment of Palestinians. The clients reacted swiftly and aggressively to make Rogers retract his statement or withdraw his firm from the job. To a lot of people's disappointment, Rogers caved in, citing the number of mouths he had to feed in the office.


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  • 6.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 02-19-2019 17:51
    Colleagues, ex-clients, friends:
    It strikes me as unconscionable that Richard Meier is allowed to walk away professionally and commercially unscathed and unruffled by his incontestably atrocious personal behavior.  Yes, there is all due consideration for the forty innocent 'mouths to feed' in his office, but the salient message delivered here to minions and clients alike, is:
    "If you're famous enough, you can get away with almost anything-so enjoy." 
    Remind you of "Access Hollywood"?
    The AIA and specifically the College of Fellows is obviously not in the business of wantonly wrecking careers, rather our charge is to bestow honor upon accomplishment (and behavior) when it is determined to be deserved. As such, it seems in well within our purview to remove such honor when it so demonstrably fails to be deserved.


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  • 7.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 02-19-2019 17:58
    Colleagues, ex-clients, friends:

    It strikes me as unconscionable that Richard Meier is allowed to walk away professionally and commercially unscathed and unruffled by his incontestably atrocious personal behavior. Yes, there is all due consideration for the forty innocent 'mouths to feed' in his office, but the salient message delivered here to minions and clients alike, is:
    "If you're famous enough, you can get away with almost anything-so enjoy."
    Remind you of "Access Hollywood"?

    The AIA and specifically the College of Fellows is obviously not in the business of wantonly wrecking careers, rather our charge is to bestow honor upon accomplishment (and behavior) when it is determined to be deserved. As such, it seems in well within our purview to remove such honor when it so demonstrably fails to be deserved.

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    Paul Stevenson ("Steve") Oles, FAIA
    Interface Architects
    Santa Fe, New Mexico USA
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  • 8.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 02-19-2019 23:02
    I have followed this discussion from its unhappy beginning but refrained from commenting until now. As I am sure did many, I could not believe any of it until the NYTimes article which seems to be proven reliable. This is so unlike the Richard Meier I knew almost fifty years ago, when he was just starting to go beyond his signature private house projects and beginning larger work with two projects for the New York State Facilities Development Corporation,including the Bronx Developmental Center, that I still find it hard to believe, though apparently true. The response from the Fellows has been quite variable, but except for the magnificent work by Frances Halsband to force a constructive change to AIA policy, the rest of the discussion seems to me more self-serving than constructive. Too much preachy moralizing, and not enough prevention in our noble profession of such unspeakably egregious behavior. Richard has (quite inadvertently I am sure) handed us an opportunity to make the profession a better place for all who pursue it. I think it is time for the College and the Institute to evaluate what useful results the new policy has accomplished so far and develop an ongoing program to monitor and correct whatever needs to be done now and in future. And end the preachy moralizing.

    Respectfully,

    Sidney L. Delson, FAIA Emeritus
    East Hampton, NY




  • 9.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 02-20-2019 07:19
    Fellows taking a stand on sexism and abuse is admirable, but acting as judge, jury, and executioner of an accused raises its own moral issue, that of fairness. Instead of focusing on punishment, I argue better use of time and thought would be on prevention: the idea of baking intrinsic moral virtues into architecture students sufficient to avoid extrinsic ethics penalties in education and practice. It pains me to see little mention of such topics in the upcoming A'19 conference.

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    Richard Buday FAIA
    Archimage, Inc.
    Houston TX
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  • 10.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 02-20-2019 21:23

    Thank you Paul Oles for sustaining our focus on the morality of the situation. Your new comments provide an interesting follow-up on the Bloomberg article shared by Traci Sooter the day before. There appears to be two opposing effects and outcomes. On one hand, fame and strong brand will protect perpetrators and their membership in the organization in order to maintain clients' marketing initiatives - thus, the organization's policy is self-serving and the organization becomes complicit in violations by its members. On the other hand, the message to victims is: Nothing will be done to expel predators from the organization, so speak up at your own risk - which in the long run may affect the number of members who would want to join or remain in the organization. To those offenders who have yet to be exposed, the message is: Not to worry - if there is no precedent to be set with Richard Meier, then everyone gets a free pass.



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    Lawrence Chan FAIA
    Principal
    Chan Architecture & Urban Design, LLC
    Boston MA
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  • 11.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 02-21-2019 17:38
    It's been a rich and meaningful discussion, but the time has come to act. Richard Meier deserves no mercy from the College. For the sake of our individual and collective integrity, protection of vulnerable people and simple justice, he should be expelled post haste.
         Doug Kelbaugh, Fellow for over 35 years who had Meier on his studio reviews in college.

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    Douglas Kelbaugh FAIA Kelbaugh FAIA FCNU 2016 Topaz Medallion Laureate
    Professor Professor and former Dean
    University of Michigan
    Ann Arbor MI
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  • 12.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 02-22-2019 17:45
    I agree with Doug and also think it is time to act - not only talk.  Our profession must always have the highest moral standards.
    Jan
    Jan Wampler, FAIA
    Distinguished Professor, ACSA
    Markborough Endowed Professor, USF
    Professor of Architecture, Emeritus, MIT
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  • 13.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 02-22-2019 17:50
    I agree with Doug Kelbaugh, time to act.
    Jeremiah Eck FAIA, Boston






  • 14.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 02-22-2019 18:14
    Allow me to take a contrarian position. As fellows, I believe a better use of our experience and insight than vigilantism would be leading the profession to a higher moral plane. Think of the recent ethical problems we've faced as a profession (and widely reported in the media): widespread sexism in academia and practice, starchitects designing for despots, architecture playing a minor role in the fight against climate change. The list can be made longer.

    Short-term solutions do not address long-standing issues. The profession's behavioral compass and moral conscience need attention, an intervention, put another way, and that's a discussion we've not yet had on this forum.

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    Richard Buday FAIA
    Archimage, Inc.
    Houston TX
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  • 15.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 02-22-2019 20:55
    I couldn't agree more that the AIA needs to immediately and aggressively address climate change and heat islands.
    But let's quickly dispense with this critically important ethical issue and move on to these bigger matters.
    Doug
    PS - My new book THE URBAN FIX, Resilient Cities in the War against Climate Change, Heat Islands and Overpopulation is now available to order with a 20% discount on the Taylor&Francis website.

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    Douglas Kelbaugh FAIA Kelbaugh FAIA FCNU 2016 Topaz Medallion Laureate
    Professor Professor and former Dean
    University of Michigan
    Ann Arbor MI
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  • 16.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 02-22-2019 23:39
    Richard B. I agree with everything you have said regarding our neglect as a profession. But it does no good for anybody to shove one serious problem under the rug and replace it by another. We do need to address these issues, and that is what I was saying in so many words. But it seems to me that we need to fix our own house too, and not let this sort of thing pass. It is not being a vigilante. Rather it is a necessary action to make the FAIA and AIA truly only represent the best the profession has to offer. To do nothing is complicit in reinforcing the bad behavior of some of our peers. It is not being a vigilante to find that an individual no longer lives up to the high standards we believe in, in spite of the man’s truly exceptional work as an architect. To me being a licensed professional extends far beyond our work to also exhibit high ethical standards, and to act at all times for the betterment of our society—including the work environment and the way we mentor and lead our employees and clients. Anybody who is found to act in a behavior that is unbecoming of an architect simply should not be allowed to be member in our professional organization.

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  • 17.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 02-23-2019 12:48
    Richard B. I agree with everything you have said regarding our neglect as a profession. But it does no good for anybody to shove one serious problem under the rug and replace it by another. We do need to address these issues, and that is what I was saying in so many words. But it seems to me that we need to fix our own house too, and not let this sort of thing pass. It is not being a vigilante. Rather it is a necessary action to make the FAIA and AIA truly only represent the best the profession has to offer. To do nothing is complicit in reinforcing the bad behavior of some of our peers. It is not being a vigilante to find that an individual no longer lives up to the high standards we believe in, in spite of the man’s truly exceptional work as an architect. To me being a licensed professional extends far beyond our work to also exhibit high ethical standards, and to act at all times for the betterment of our society—including the work environment and the way we mentor and lead our employees and clients. Anybody who is found to act in a behavior that is unbecoming of an architect simply should not be allowed to be member in our professional organization.

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  • 18.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 02-23-2019 13:18
    I think Rich has nailed it as well as it can be nailed.
    Let's move ahead asap.
    Doug

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    Professor Professor and former Dean
    University of Michigan
    Ann Arbor MI
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  • 19.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 02-23-2019 18:46
    By example always maintain the highest ethical and  moral standards

    Always use our profession to do good for our planet and humanity

    Advance access for all to adequate shelter and quality of life.

    Pass on to the next generation our responsibility to do good for the world.

    The above is intended as a starting point, to be further developed and refined.  I share it with the hope that we will begin a dialog as soon as possible about what our profession can be and what we stand for.

    I believe this may help to provide architects with a "moral compass" for the future.

    Your comments would be appreciated.

    Jan

    Jan Wampler, FAIA
    Distinguished Professor, ACSA
    Markborough Endowed Professor, USF
    Professor of Architecture, Emeritus, MIT
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  • 20.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 02-22-2019 20:35
    Well stated Doug: I have stated for many years that the AIA’s positions regarding ethics in the profession generally do not have a lot of teeth. While it can be argued that the actions of many architects in my generation lived under a different set of accepted standards, there is no doubt whatsoever that Mr Meier’s history goes well beyond what is acceptable in any generation, and well beyond not only ethics, but also morality and decent treatment for his employees. And at the same time it is high time that the profession move past the assumed obligation of servitude as the pathway to professional success. Unfair treatment of intern and young architects, no or little pay to work for the “master”, and the belief that star architects can get by with anything are ego driven actions reinforced by our professional schools, our magazines and the design world at large. I am proud to be an architect, and I am grateful for the successes I have earned, but I disdain the profession for the pompous egoism that supports this kind of wretched behavior. Come on AIA, let’s get on with it.

    Richard L. Von Luhrte FAIA
    Retired President, RNL Design
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  • 21.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 02-22-2019 20:45
    Extremely well put Richard. 

    I made a motion a month or so ago to take full action on Meier, and Amanda our Bylaws to address these disgraceful acts in the future. 

    Couldn't get a second.....I wonder if the strategy is to talk it to death...... or 

    Tom

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  • 22.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 02-23-2019 00:13
    Tom: You're the attorney, so perhaps you can guide us here. As far as I know, the allegations against Richard Meier are just that-allegations, widely reported, but claims nonetheless. The man has made no clear admission of guilt that I know of, only that his understanding of the events is different than his accusers.

    If my understanding is correct, should there not be due process before a sentence is handed down? Is not everyone entitled to an impartial hearing? Is the College of Fellows a judicial panel, or should determinations of guilt be left to the courts and/or ethics review boards?

    I am for taking a strong moral stance, but not at the expense of fairness denied to either accusers or the accused.






  • 23.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 02-22-2019 20:48
    Richard has said it very strongly and is right on.  We have come a long way from the "gentlemen's architect" of not too long ago.  However we still have a long way to go.  We need to establish our "moral compass" in so many ways.  Equal pay, minority hiring, supporting women and we must maintaining the highest ethical standards.  Now is the time to reexamine our selves.
    Peace
    Jan
    Jan Wampler, FAIA
    Distinguished Professor, ACSA
    Markborough Endowed Professor, USF
    Professor of Architecture, Emeritus, MIT
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    Office 617 253 7904
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  • 24.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 02-21-2019 10:19
    Very well said.




  • 25.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 02-22-2019 17:43
    I agree 1000% with Doug. 

    What will this College of Fellows choose to do?...to demonstrate to one and all our commitment to no room in our fellowship for any form of gender abuse. 

    Not to decide...IS to decide. 

    Tom

    Tom E. Lewis, FAIA, Esq.
    Architect
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    General Counsel, The Tallahassee Ballet
    Former Chairman, Tallahassee-Leon County Planning Commission and Local Planning Agency
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  • 26.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 02-22-2019 18:34
    I am fully in accordance with those Fellow colleagues who have written on a particularly irritating slant of the Richard Meier case: that of his having gotten away with total impunity from the AIA , being both in and out of his firm and in and out of the AIA. We latins have a word for that equivocal ability : caradura. Literally, in  colloquial spanish, hard faced guy. Someone who just goes ahead with a smirk, fully knowing that nothing untowards will happen to him or his professional or economic interests, 40, 400 o 4000 hungry mouths notwithstanding. In my country, Colombia, this sort of "good luck" is reserved for politicians,  drug chieftains or corrupt investors, but now architects are beginning to appear on the list, abetted by the some of the smartest lawyers you can think of. 

    GERMAN TELLEZ
    Hon. FAIA 





  • 27.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 02-22-2019 18:53
    Another article was just published: https://therealdeal.com/2019/02/22/richard-meier-me-too-movement/

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    Owner
    Studio Z Architecture
    Plymouth MI
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  • 28.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 03-16-2019 12:18
    This thread has gone silent with the discussion about enacting an architect's oath.  All good, but there is still the issue of dealing with egregious acts by our peers.

    In reviewing the current AIA By-Laws, I read the sections dealing with membership, with emphasis on Section 2.4, "Fellowship", and Section 2.5, "Honorary Fellowship". For the most part, both sections are identical regarding nomination, election and privileges except for the following under Honorary Fellowship:

    "2.54 Termination of Honorary Fellows. The Board, by a two-thirds majority vote, may
    terminate the membership and withdraw the privileges of any Honorary Fellow, for any
    reason it may deem sufficient."

    While the current process of the National Ethics Board requires that a decision for termination due to a complaint has to be approved by the Board, it still requires the filing of a formal complaint, which for some may not be the best decision (like it or not, filing a complaint even confidentially can be a career breaking decision for many).

    I propose a review the By-Laws and consider adding a similar clause for termination of Fellowship.  I have discussed this with several Board members and the consensus is that this proposal should be discussed, as well as vetted by AIA General Counsel.   We should know the history behind the current phrasing in the By-Laws and what impacts a change may have.

    In my eyes, attaining Fellowship is a privilege above regular AIA membership.  The current Charter of the College of Fellows, while not specific on standards of conduct, does say that one of our charges is to mentor young architects.  Setting an example of best conduct and professional behavior seems to fit within that charge.  Am seeking your feedback on this proposal.

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    Edmond Gauvreau, FAIA
    Washington, DC
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  • 29.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 03-16-2019 12:33
    This seems like a good idea Mr. Gauvreau. I have gone silent on this issue not because I have changed my mind about the Meier case, nor my views on the invertebrate quality of the AIA processes, rather because I felt the online conversation was being dominated by men with very few female voices being heard on the issues.

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    Hubert Murray FAIA
    Cambridge MA
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  • 30.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 03-16-2019 12:44

    'I completely agree Edmund. In fact, I made a similar proposal over a month ago to amend our COF Bylaws to give the College the responsibility and authority to deal with those type issues, committed by Members of the College.

    Tom

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  • 31.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 03-16-2019 13:01
    Let´s get Meier the hell out of AIA and the COF!
    Doug Kelbaugh FAIA
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    of Architecture and Urban Planning
    and Dean Emeritus
    Taubman College of Architecture & Urban Planning
    University of Michigan
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  • 32.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 03-16-2019 13:05
    Doug,
    No doubt on your stance - I concur.  Just need to do it the right way.
    Ed





  • 33.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 03-16-2019 13:17
    Cheer!!!!!!!!👏👏👏 I couldn’t agree more!!

    Tom E. Lewis, FAIA, Esq.
    Attorney at Law
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  • 34.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 03-16-2019 13:04
    Tom,
    Who did you speak with on this motion?  Perhaps multiple members bringing this up can gain more traction on this issue.  You can reply either publicly or privately.
    Ed





  • 35.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 03-16-2019 15:14

    Thank you, Edmond and Tom, for your proposals. An identical clause to the Termination of Honorary Fellows clause added to the By-Laws for all Fellows seems to be a relatively simple one-sentence section to amend the By-Laws and quickly agreed upon. After all, why should one segment of Fellows be treated unequally than another? Then it would be whether or not the Board - as Hubert inferred - has the vertebrate to uphold the AIA Code of Ethics.



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    Boston MA
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  • 36.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 03-16-2019 17:38
    Agreed, Lawrence

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  • 37.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 03-16-2019 16:14
    I agree, thanks Ed.  This is where this whole discussion started and I appreciate your bringing it back.  If we were to speak the oath being proposed, we would not have the issues we are seeing in removing someone from Fellowship or AIA membership.   It would be obvious that we hold membership to a higher standard.  

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  • 38.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 03-16-2019 16:18
    We´re getting there!
    Or have we arrived?
    I think Jan has a few simplifications of the oath.
    And is anyone against kicking out Meier?
    Doug

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    University of Michigan
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  • 39.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 03-16-2019 16:38
    All,

    After having extensive and problematic dealings in the past with the ethically-challenged Mr. Meier, I have no qualms whatever about 'kicking him out'.

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  • 40.  RE: Richard Meier Case

    Posted 03-17-2019 18:45
    The sea change that has developed in this discussion, from the early shock and anger generated by the deplorable egregious behavior of Richard Meier, to the current constructive effort to purge all such from our profession, is both remarkable and worthy. I look forward to all the wrinkles being worked out and the final product being implemented and enforceable.

    However, that is only part of the task. It is all well and good to establish goals, but if there is no means of keeping score, success remains unknown and unachievable. I understand the initiative presented by Frances Halsband at last year’s Convention (I did not attend) was well received and suggested some means of identifying the extent of the problem and solving it wherever it currently exists. The victims of gender bias, sexual harassment, pay inequity, etc. will be little comforted by knowledge that the boss has taken an oath of commendable behavior in future. I am sure this COF group is quite able to design a system of periodically surveying the current state of affairs within the profession and pursuing corrective action where needed. Perhaps as an adjunct of the mentoring activity which is already part of the COF mission.


    Sidney L. Delson, FAIA Emeritus
    East Hampton, NY