Practice Management Member Conversations

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Hello all - I have been doing some research on Project Management training programs geared speciically to A/E professionals. I would be interested to hear from those of you with REAL first-hand experience in specific seminars or programs about the good and the bad of your experience with these.
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Thanks - Matt
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Matthew Bartner AIA
Kitchen & Associates
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I am also doing research on PM training and certification.  I am interested to see what others have to say.  PMP Bootcamp was recommended to me by a colleague who took the course and passed the PMP exam.  Thanks for asknig the question!  http://www.pmenterprises.net/Bootcamps.html 

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Robin Anderson AIA, EDAC
Waukesha, WI
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Sent: 03-05-2012 04:23
From: Matthew Bartner
Subject: Project Management training

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Hello all - I have been doing some research on Project Management training programs geared speciically to A/E professionals. I would be interested to hear from those of you with REAL first-hand experience in specific seminars or programs about the good and the bad of your experience with these.
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Thanks - Matt

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Matthew Bartner AIA
Kitchen & Associates
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Our people have always come back with positive remarks from PSMJ's PM Bootcamps, especially if Dave Burstein is part of the faculty.

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Michael Webber
CFO
The Portico Group
Seattle WA
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Sent: 03-05-2012 16:44
From: Robin Anderson
Subject: Project Management training

I am also doing research on PM training and certification.  I am interested to see what others have to say.  PMP Bootcamp was recommended to me by a colleague who took the course and passed the PMP exam.  Thanks for asknig the question!  http://www.pmenterprises.net/Bootcamps.html 

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Robin Anderson AIA, EDAC
Waukesha, WI
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Sent: 03-05-2012 04:23
From: Matthew Bartner
Subject: Project Management training

This message has been cross posted to the following Discussion Forums: Center for Integrated Practice and Practice Management Member Conversations .
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Hello all - I have been doing some research on Project Management training programs geared speciically to A/E professionals. I would be interested to hear from those of you with REAL first-hand experience in specific seminars or programs about the good and the bad of your experience with these.
!

Thanks - Matt

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Matthew Bartner AIA
Kitchen & Associates
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Mr. Bartner:

I've been a member of PMI for about 6 years now.  I've read a number of valuable publications from PMI, and have started the process for PMP certification - but sometimes I wonder if I will complete it.

PMI's membership is primarily from the IT industries, although the project management principles can and are applied to a number of other industries.  While most of my project management experience has been on the job, I've learned a lot about better PM practices from the PMBOK guide.  That said, I don't think I've ever seen an architectural firm do Earned Value Management, let alone a work breakdown structure.  To be truthfull, sometimes I wonder if the whole PMBOK process is overly cumbersome and too heavy on process, not results.

Recently I've begun a study of Agile project management techniques, as it seems that would be more in line with what design firms do.  The jury is still out on that one.

Add to that the change in how designers work when you make the switch to true BIM systemology - suddenly your HR needs are much different, and reduced.

I can't point you to a specific program as you requested, but perhaps you can investigate project management certificate course, such as those offered online at the University of Phoenix, among others.

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Klaus Steinke AIA
Principal
Klaus Steinke Architect
Las Vegas NV
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Sent: 03-05-2012 04:23
From: Matthew Bartner
Subject: Project Management training

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Hello all - I have been doing some research on Project Management training programs geared speciically to A/E professionals. I would be interested to hear from those of you with REAL first-hand experience in specific seminars or programs about the good and the bad of your experience with these.
!

Thanks - Matt

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Matthew Bartner AIA
Kitchen & Associates
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I have attended the PSMJ PM bootcamp that is specifically structured to A&E design professionals.  I found it to be useful and  good introduction to the principles of project managment.  I actually took the course twice, once about 10 years ago, then again last year.  The material was consistent and a good refresher for me.

http://www.psmj.com/training-and-education/seminars-and-bootcamps/2-seminars-and-bootcamps/18-aec-project-management-bootcamp.html

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Carl Tully AIA
Senior Associate
Project Manager
NBBJ
Seattle WA
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Sent: 03-05-2012 23:32
From: Klaus Steinke
Subject: Project Management training

Mr. Bartner:

I've been a member of PMI for about 6 years now.  I've read a number of valuable publications from PMI, and have started the process for PMP certification - but sometimes I wonder if I will complete it.

PMI's membership is primarily from the IT industries, although the project management principles can and are applied to a number of other industries.  While most of my project management experience has been on the job, I've learned a lot about better PM practices from the PMBOK guide.  That said, I don't think I've ever seen an architectural firm do Earned Value Management, let alone a work breakdown structure.  To be truthfull, sometimes I wonder if the whole PMBOK process is overly cumbersome and too heavy on process, not results.

Recently I've begun a study of Agile project management techniques, as it seems that would be more in line with what design firms do.  The jury is still out on that one.

Add to that the change in how designers work when you make the switch to true BIM systemology - suddenly your HR needs are much different, and reduced.

I can't point you to a specific program as you requested, but perhaps you can investigate project management certificate course, such as those offered online at the University of Phoenix, among others.

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Klaus Steinke AIA
Principal
Klaus Steinke Architect
Las Vegas NV
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Original Message:
Sent: 03-05-2012 04:23
From: Matthew Bartner
Subject: Project Management training

This message has been cross posted to the following Discussion Forums: Center for Integrated Practice and Practice Management Member Conversations .
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Hello all - I have been doing some research on Project Management training programs geared speciically to A/E professionals. I would be interested to hear from those of you with REAL first-hand experience in specific seminars or programs about the good and the bad of your experience with these.
!

Thanks - Matt

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Matthew Bartner AIA
Kitchen & Associates
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Karla Lockhart Assoc. AIA
BIM Strategist/Designer
D&J Tile
Oakland CA
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I would have to agree with Klaus. As an associate AIA member and 6 plus years in the building industry, I took the Project Management Certification Program in 2008 at UC Berkeley. They have a good program with amazing faculty, but as an architect, most of what we learned applied mostly to other industries (Biopharmaceuticals, Engineering, IT, etc.). It definitely should apply to the architecture world, but does not in most firms. Though, I don't feel it was a waste of my time and money. Certainly not. I have met fantastic people who I stay in contact with today (networking like that of an MBA program) and value everything that I learned including Quality, Risk and Team Dynamics and Behaviors! Just understanding people's personalities and how you can work with them was a great take away from the courses.

I took the program, initially, to understand Project Management while doing the IDP and it just took off from there. I recommend that if it is something you really want to learn or your job requires it, take one project management course and then decide if you want to go forward with getting a certification or even taking the PMI exam. I decided not to take the PMI exam because I was not sure of the value of it in Architecture. Unless my employer wants me to take the exam, I would not waste my time, energy and money on the PMI exam at this point in my life. But that's just me. It may be worth it for some people depending on where they are at in their career and if they want to focus on Project Management.

Karla

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Sent: 03-05-2012 23:32
From: Klaus Steinke
Subject: Project Management training

Mr. Bartner:

I've been a member of PMI for about 6 years now.  I've read a number of valuable publications from PMI, and have started the process for PMP certification - but sometimes I wonder if I will complete it.

PMI's membership is primarily from the IT industries, although the project management principles can and are applied to a number of other industries.  While most of my project management experience has been on the job, I've learned a lot about better PM practices from the PMBOK guide.  That said, I don't think I've ever seen an architectural firm do Earned Value Management, let alone a work breakdown structure.  To be truthfull, sometimes I wonder if the whole PMBOK process is overly cumbersome and too heavy on process, not results.

Recently I've begun a study of Agile project management techniques, as it seems that would be more in line with what design firms do.  The jury is still out on that one.

Add to that the change in how designers work when you make the switch to true BIM systemology - suddenly your HR needs are much different, and reduced.

I can't point you to a specific program as you requested, but perhaps you can investigate project management certificate course, such as those offered online at the University of Phoenix, among others.

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Klaus Steinke AIA
Principal
Klaus Steinke Architect
Las Vegas NV
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Original Message:
Sent: 03-05-2012 04:23
From: Matthew Bartner
Subject: Project Management training

This message has been cross posted to the following Discussion Forums: Center for Integrated Practice and Practice Management Member Conversations .
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Hello all - I have been doing some research on Project Management training programs geared speciically to A/E professionals. I would be interested to hear from those of you with REAL first-hand experience in specific seminars or programs about the good and the bad of your experience with these.
!

Thanks - Matt

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Matthew Bartner AIA
Kitchen & Associates
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I took the PSMJ PM Bootcamp about three years ago and found it to be very comprehensive.  It was geared more towards professionals that have been at least attempting to manage projects and had some knowledge about the process.  The presenter (Patty Huntley) was very knowledgable and willing to provide resources and suggestions specific to our firm.

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Matthew Cole AIA
Brooks Borg Skiles Architecture
Des Moines IA
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I also participated in the PSMJ Project Manager Bootcamp. I did it about a decade ago and I still refer back to the materials from that day to help me manage projects.

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Sean Catherall AIA
Integrated Property Services
Bluffdale, UT
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Sent: 03-06-2012 10:08
From: Matthew Cole
Subject: PM Training

I took the PSMJ PM Bootcamp about three years ago and found it to be very comprehensive.  It was geared more towards professionals that have been at least attempting to manage projects and had some knowledge about the process.  The presenter (Patty Huntley) was very knowledgable and willing to provide resources and suggestions specific to our firm.

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Matthew Cole AIA
Brooks Borg Skiles Architecture
Des Moines IA
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Scott Braley with Braley Consulting and Training in Atlanta, GA, is one of the best trainers on PM.  We had him come to our firm a number of years ago and the results were significant.  I highly recommend him for in-house training.  It will be worth every penny.


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Steven Haber AIA
Principal Facilitator
Steve Haber Group
Cincinnati OH
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Sent: 03-05-2012 04:23
From: Matthew Bartner
Subject: Project Management training

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Hello all - I have been doing some research on Project Management training programs geared speciically to A/E professionals. I would be interested to hear from those of you with REAL first-hand experience in specific seminars or programs about the good and the bad of your experience with these.
!

Thanks - Matt

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Matthew Bartner AIA
Kitchen & Associates
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We have taught and promoted the Construction Document Technology (CDT) program from the Construction Specifications Institute ("the other CSI" atwww.csinet.org) for over a decade. It is not a project management methods course. It is an industry overview course that provides a detailed understanding of AE project delivery on a level that is generally unavailable either in schools of architecture or in the haphazard "on the job training" that most architectural interns receive. The emphasis is on team roles and on the relationship between design process and documentation. CDT stresses the use of consistent terminology to affect good communication.  It does not emphasize the goals/objectives and task/time monitoring that generic project management courses teach. But if you and your team members do not know the information presented in CDT, no amount of management skill will deliver a sound and profitable project.

CSI's advanced certification program for Construction Contract Administration is a highly focused construction phase course that greatly reinforces architects' control of construction quality and is intended as a training course for AEs involved in construction phase work; the CDT is a prerequisite.

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Philip Kabza AIA
Partner and Dir Technical Services
SpecGuy
Charlotte NC
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Sent: 03-05-2012 04:23
From: Matthew Bartner
Subject: Project Management training

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Hello all - I have been doing some research on Project Management training programs geared speciically to A/E professionals. I would be interested to hear from those of you with REAL first-hand experience in specific seminars or programs about the good and the bad of your experience with these.
!

Thanks - Matt

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Matthew Bartner AIA
Kitchen & Associates
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I recently participated in an excellent webinar sponsored by Hall & Company concerning project management for A/Es: "Effective Project Management Practices as a Key Risk Management Strategy". I believe that it is still available on-demand on their website http://www.hallandcompany.com/resources.php in their Webinar Library. Let me know if you agree.
 
Gregory Jarold AIA
Pittsburgh PA
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Sent: 03-05-2012 04:23
From: Matthew Bartner
Subject: Project Management training

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Hello all - I have been doing some research on Project Management training programs geared speciically to A/E professionals. I would be interested to hear from those of you with REAL first-hand experience in specific seminars or programs about the good and the bad of your experience with these.
!

Thanks - Matt

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Matthew Bartner AIA
Kitchen & Associates
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These two options represent PM 'education' more than 'training', but both are well worth a look:

The Master of Project Management (MPM) program at Northwestern University in Evanston, IL synthesizes technical expertise with a business perspective, resulting in a Certificate or Master of Science in Project Management. I know graduates from this program who loved it - and built careers around it.

http://www.mpm.northwestern.edu/index.html

The MPM program has an Executive Education sister program that I am helping to create: Executive Management for Design and Construction (EMDC) Program at Northwestern University prepares current and future execs to be leaders in the design and construction industries. Classes start Fall 2012 for both Certificate and Master of Science degrees.

http://emdc.northwestern.edu/

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Randall Deutsch AIA
Co-founder
Deutsch Insights
Winnetka IL
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Sent: 03-05-2012 04:23
From: Matthew Bartner
Subject: Project Management training

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Hello all - I have been doing some research on Project Management training programs geared speciically to A/E professionals. I would be interested to hear from those of you with REAL first-hand experience in specific seminars or programs about the good and the bad of your experience with these.
!

Thanks - Matt

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Matthew Bartner AIA
Kitchen & Associates
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I highly recommend PSMJ "Project Manager Bootcamp" as a very interactive training session that has produced strong results in those I've sent to it. (Oh, and I've taken it too!)

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Gary Barber AIA
Principal
urban solutions studio, llc
Renton WA
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Sent: 03-05-2012 04:23
From: Matthew Bartner
Subject: Project Management training

This message has been cross posted to the following Discussion Forums: Center for Integrated Practice and Practice Management Member Conversations .
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Hello all - I have been doing some research on Project Management training programs geared speciically to A/E professionals. I would be interested to hear from those of you with REAL first-hand experience in specific seminars or programs about the good and the bad of your experience with these.
!

Thanks - Matt

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Matthew Bartner AIA
Kitchen & Associates
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We  brought in Chris Marterstek of PSMJ to run a version of their Project Manager Bootcamo customized for our firm needs. Chris did a great job and raised the level of knowledge and skills across the firm.

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Richard Speicher AIA
Principal
Weber Murphy Fox Architects
Erie PA
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Sent: 03-05-2012 04:23
From: Matthew Bartner
Subject: Project Management training

This message has been cross posted to the following Discussion Forums: Center for Integrated Practice and Practice Management Member Conversations .
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Hello all - I have been doing some research on Project Management training programs geared speciically to A/E professionals. I would be interested to hear from those of you with REAL first-hand experience in specific seminars or programs about the good and the bad of your experience with these.
!

Thanks - Matt

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Matthew Bartner AIA
Kitchen & Associates
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