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  Painting BrickMay 13, 2013 10:04 AMCarol De Tine, AIA
  RE:Painting BrickMay 14, 2013 5:37 PMMr. Robert Collins, AIA
  RE:Painting BrickMay 14, 2013 5:46 PMMr. Rudolph Beuc III, AIA
  RE:Painting BrickMay 14, 2013 5:58 PMAlice Schuler, AIA
  RE:Painting BrickMay 14, 2013 6:16 PMMr. Robert Larsen, AIA
  RE:Painting BrickMay 14, 2013 6:41 PMMr. Nelson B. Nave, AIA
  RE:Painting BrickMay 14, 2013 9:56 PMRoger Retzlaff, AIA
  RE:Painting BrickMay 15, 2013 10:40 PMChristiaan Semmelink, AIA
  RE:Painting BrickMay 17, 2013 7:58 AMDennis McNeal, AIA
  RE:Painting BrickMay 20, 2013 5:43 PMJoel Niemi, AIA
  RE:Painting BrickMay 20, 2013 5:46 PMJ. Gary, AIA
  RE:Painting BrickMay 17, 2013 12:09 PMLynn Anderson, AIA
  RE:Painting BrickMay 20, 2013 5:31 PMFrank Riepe, AIA
 

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Painting Brick
From: Carol De Tine, AIA
To: Small Project Practitioners
Posted: May 13, 2013 10:04 AM
Subject: Painting Brick
Message:
This message has been cross posted to the following Discussion Forums: Small Project Practitioners and Custom Residential Architects Network .
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Greetings all,

Does anyone working in a cold climate have details and/or a spec for a new brick building wall with a painted finish? The Brick Institute says don't do it. Masons say the paint won't stay on. I am designing a new house in a historic neighborhood in Portland, Maine. There are several painted brick houses around (one owner stripped the paint from their rowhouse and the historic board made them re-paint) so it's an appropriate response. We love the idea of a nice clean white-painted brick wall. The material speaks to the neighborhood and will help the modern elements fit.

But - I don't want to be dumb.

Opinions pro and con welcome. Thank you!

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Carol De Tine AIA
Principal
Carriage House Studio Architects, LLC
Portland ME
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RE:Painting Brick
From: Mr. Robert Collins, AIA
To: Small Project Practitioners
Posted: May 14, 2013 5:37 PM
Subject: RE:Painting Brick
Message:
Carol-

Your client will forever curse you or thank you depending on which way you go.  I have a client that I designed a beautiful building with integrally colored split faced block.  He chose to take the contractor's offer to save money using a variety of colored split faced remnant blocks and paint them.  Six years later and a $100,000 expense to repaint the building, he said I was right.  The building has been painted two more times since then.

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Robert Collins AIA
VP Real Estate Services
Wise Way Foods
Merrillville IN
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RE:Painting Brick
From: Mr. Rudolph Beuc III, AIA
To: Small Project Practitioners
Posted: May 14, 2013 5:46 PM
Subject: RE:Painting Brick
Message:
Try looking for a slurried brick. They have a painted/whitewashed look.


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Rudolph Beuc AIA
Architect
R. Beuc Architects
Saint Louis MO
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RE:Painting Brick
From: Alice Schuler, AIA
To: Small Project Practitioners
Posted: May 14, 2013 5:58 PM
Subject: RE:Painting Brick
Message:
You don't want a painted finish - you want a breathable masonry coating. There are vapor permeable coatings out there that are opaque and suitable for cold climates. One option is BASF who makes a line called Thorocoat, a breathable acrylic coating, we have used on previous projects. Their website includes a sample specification as a starting point.  One of the major issues is quality control to make sure the proper film thickness is applied.

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Alice Schuler AIA
Kuklinski+Rappe Architects
Chicago IL
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RE:Painting Brick
From: Mr. Robert Larsen, AIA
To: Small Project Practitioners
Posted: May 14, 2013 6:16 PM
Subject: RE:Painting Brick
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Suggest you discuss this with a manufacturer's rep. from one of the major paint companies such as Benjamin Moore.

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Robert Larsen AIA
Principal
Robert R. Larsen, A.I.A.
Denver CO
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RE:Painting Brick
From: Mr. Nelson B. Nave, AIA
To: Small Project Practitioners
Posted: May 14, 2013 6:41 PM
Subject: RE:Painting Brick
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Nelson B. Nave AIA
Owner
Nelson Breech Nave, AIA Architect
Kalamazoo MI
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Many times we have had warehouse type brick buildings that had their brick painted before...we stripped it or removed the loose paint, and painted the brick again.  We washed the wall with TSP and warm water and a natural bristle brush. Next, totally rinse the surface, and let it dry completely.  The brick should be dry by several hot sunny days.  Then, paint two good coats of Latex (which is breathable).  We used a color to look like brick from a distance.   It will come off eventually, but if you prep well it will stay many years.  The color will fade in the sun.





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RE:Painting Brick
From: Roger Retzlaff, AIA
To: Small Project Practitioners
Posted: May 14, 2013 9:56 PM
Subject: RE:Painting Brick
Message:
Painting brick will trap moisture in the material.  This is probably not as much of a problem for solid masonry walls as it is for cavity walls.  I see lots of older buildings with painted brick, but seldom for new.  Having the back side exposed in a cavity allows moisture to enter part of the brick.  There is always a moisture differential through the material.  When both faces are exposed to air, the absorption can moderate.  It affects expansion/contraction mostly: the painted side always lagging behind the unpainted.  Along with freezing-thaw cycling, there is greater stress on the membrane strength of the rainscreen that could produce cracking and mortar separation sooner.  If you have to paint, maybe use concrete brick or be very careful with paint selection.  I think there are some paints for concrete structures allowing moisture to move through the coating.  Can you get by with white brick?  You will save the owner a maintenance headache.  If you decide to paint, consider adequate time for mortar curing and adequately dry weather conditions.  Work with the brick and paint manufacturers to see what they recommend for the condition.

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Roger Retzlaff AIA
Green Bay WI
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RE:Painting Brick
From: Christiaan Semmelink, AIA
To: Small Project Practitioners
Posted: May 15, 2013 10:40 PM
Subject: RE:Painting Brick
Message:
Carol

Unfortunately the Brick Institute and masons are right.  Particularly as we seal things up and mechanically heat and air condition buildings, the vapor drive will push the paint off the brick and/or trap moisture in the face of the brick thereby destroying the surface quickly through freeze/thaw cycles.  Let it breath!

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Christiaan Semmelink AIA
Christiaan Semmelink AIA LEED AP
Salem MA
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RE:Painting Brick
From: Dennis McNeal, AIA
To: Small Project Practitioners
Posted: May 17, 2013 7:58 AM
Subject: RE:Painting Brick
Message:
Can you use white brick? Painting brick seems like it's asking for trouble since the brick face will no longer be able to dry from the exterior & moisture from the cavity will be trying to come out on that face.

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Dennis McNeal AIA
Autodesk, Inc.
Manchester NH
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RE:Painting Brick
From: Joel Niemi, AIA
To: Small Project Practitioners
Posted: May 20, 2013 5:43 PM
Subject: RE:Painting Brick
Message:
Perhaps the manufactured "used brick" bricks, which have a coating fired onto them, could be used.  Talk to your local brickyards / brick manufacturers.  Over on this coast, such bricks are sold for residential use (for those who .... well, I won't question their aesthetic sensibilities on this forum) and come in a range of "used" colors.  You could probably get a run of all-white.  Not as shiny as a glazed unit, but similar durability.

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Joel Niemi AIA
Principal
Snohomish WA

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RE:Painting Brick
From: J. Gary, AIA
To: Small Project Practitioners
Posted: May 20, 2013 5:46 PM
Subject: RE:Painting Brick
Message:

Try consulting the major paint manufacturers. They will all have a primer / paint combo spec for painting exterior masonry. I find Sherwin-Williams most helpful if you have a technical question, but the other major manufacturers  have good technical support as well. Also, you probably have a smaller regional manufacturer of commercial and technical coatings that has a tested system. The key to all of them will be a breathable primer and finish  that allows moisture to  pass through the paint coating from the masonry to the atmosphere, and proper substrate preparation and dryness.
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J. Gary AIA
Brian Gary Architecture
Vashon WA
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RE:Painting Brick
From: Lynn Anderson, AIA
To: Small Project Practitioners
Posted: May 17, 2013 12:09 PM
Subject: RE:Painting Brick
Message:
How about using a gray colored brick and a gray colored mortar to get that monolithic look without painting the brick?

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Lynn Anderson AIA
Anderson Architecture, PLLC
Southern Pines NC
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RE:Painting Brick
From: Frank Riepe, AIA
To: Small Project Practitioners
Posted: May 20, 2013 5:31 PM
Subject: RE:Painting Brick
Message:
You should use a lime or silicate coating. Visit www.limeworks.us

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Frank Riepe AIA
Building Arts
Sudbury MA
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