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From: Mr. Allen E Neyman, AIA
To: Housing Knowledge Community
Posted: January 25, 2012 10:18 AM
Subject: Fwd: $349 for three hours of architectural consulting, plans & a 3-D image of your design
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A friend forwarded an unsolicited email, the content of it appears below, names of the innocent removed. It came with multiple other solicitations for couch cleaning, power washing, and bed bug removal (by other vendors, apparently),  from the "Service Alley".  Has anyone ever seen anything like this? And does it sound like a good deal to you? 


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Subject: $349 for three hours of architectural consulting, plans & a 3-D image of your design

From: Service Alley <deals@servicealley.com>

To: [deleted]

The Service Alley Deal

$349 for three hours of architectural consulting, plans & a 3-D image of your design

Offered by: Buras Architecture

http://tracking.whatcounts.com/t?ctl=4063490:1169BA9FBA5A86F9B8CD4DDDFDE0AAEA238FC43D82B6DEA4&

$900 value

61% discount

$551 savings

Check out this deal:

http://tracking.whatcounts.com/t?ctl=4063491:1169BA9FBA5A86F9B8CD4DDDFDE0AAEA238FC43D82B6DEA4&

Details:

In this deal, Buras Architecture will first provide one hour of focused discussion with you about your home and architectural needs & desires. They'll then spend two hours performing design studio work and will then give you a final design plan, including a simple 3-D image of the design. This is a great chance to explore some of the remodeling thoughts you've had and get some expert guidance on the possibilities. Plus, you'll come out of it with some actual designs!

 

The Service Alley Deal #2



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Allen Neyman AIA
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StovallSmithNeyman and Associates Architects
Germantown MD
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From: Eric Rawlings, AIA
To: Housing Knowledge Community
Posted: January 26, 2012 9:15 AM
Subject: RE:Fwd: $349 for three hours of architectural consulting, plans & a 3-D image of your design
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Although I find 3 hours of time to be very short to come up with a meaningful design for any renovation project, this designer isn't lowering their hourly worth. They're still clocking over $100/hr. If they can entice their potential clients with $349 worth of bait, then good for them. They aren't claiming this $349 fee will pass for permitting. Where would these clients go anyway? A plan book for custom home renovations? A builder? Pay a firm $20K for a commercial grade set of house renovation plans and a spec book? Are they really degrading the business or taking work from YOU? If we don't recognize our profession's devastation and react in a way that we evolve with this new day and age, then we run the risk of marginalizing ourselves even more than we already have. Regular people can't afford tens of thousands of dollars for residential designs. If we can't figure out how to express our design ideas for a price they can afford that doesn't diminish our worth, then we'll always remain a very small group with little influence in the construction industry and how the law is written that effects the profession as a whole. Reduce your services to reduce your fee! Don't just take a pay cut. Get creative about offering your skills to the people we priced out of our products over the last 100 years, i.e. 97% of America. It's amazing we have survived as a profession this long by designing for so few. If you want the average American to appreciate good design, then YOU need to figure out how to offer it to them in the first place. What good is it doing us to stubbornly insist that Architectural houses can only be designed for a price that only millionaires and billionaires can afford? 

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Eric Rawlings AIA
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Rawlings Design, Inc.
Decatur GA
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From: Kevin Sutton, AIA
To: Housing Knowledge Community
Posted: January 27, 2012 9:10 AM
Subject: RE:Fwd: $349 for three hours of architectural consulting, plans & a 3-D image of your design
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At a hundred bucks an hour I may take up fishing.
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Kevin Sutton AIA
District Court Architect
United States District Court NCWD
Charlotte NC
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From: William Fisher, AIA
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Posted: January 27, 2012 11:46 AM
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William Fisher AIA
Principal
Fisher Architecture
Palmer Lake CO
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Cross reference this idea to the CRAN ideas about making our work accessible to John & Mary Q Public.  This does that.  Ours is currently a Rodney Dangerfield profession.  We need to get back to the point where people who need a building call an architect first - instead of a GC.  I love this idea.  Yes it's a fishing expedition - also called marketing.  Yes, the time is too limited.  Would we rather get paid our normal marketing rate? (i.e. $0/hr).





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From: James Cline, AIA
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Posted: January 27, 2012 12:15 PM
Subject: RE:Fwd: $349 for three hours of architectural consulting, plans & a 3-D image of your design
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Three or four years ago I signed on with a similar service to see what would happen, though I did not offer any particular "deals."  It pretty much led to nowhere.  I also realized that someone who is going to spend tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars (construction cost) is not going to look for an architect on a site that promotes plumbers and exterminators.  It was pretty much worthless, and I quickly disassociated myself when I realized it was a professional embarrassment.

We do need more creative marketing, but the best sources remain referrals, good relationships with builders and project signs.
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James Cline AIA
Principal, 2011 SPP AG Chair
Cline Architects
San Francisco CA
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From: Laura Kraft, AIA
To: Housing Knowledge Community
Posted: January 27, 2012 12:15 PM
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Laura Kraft AIA
Laura Kraft - Architect
Seattle WA
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In my 18 years of residential remodel design, I have observed the following, pertaining to remodels of any complexity. Without performing at the very least a few hours of cursory pre-design research, this  rapid "shoot from the hip" type of arm-waving design is likely to produce an image that is unrealizable.  Especially in remodels, the allowable building envelope and the existing structural system must be understood before beginning to design. Crafting an appropriate program is essential to addressing the clients needs. Foregoing these steps is likely to yield an image of something that misleads the client about the actual possibilities of their project.  It can set up unrealistic expectations and disappointment, leaving them with very negative feelings, not only about the architect or "faux architect" who provided the service, but about architects in general.
I have, more than once, met with clients who were ripped off by careless architects.  They had a slick 3D image of something they could not possibly use, had a hole of some magnitude in their pocket, and regret that what seemed like a good deal was really a mistake.



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From: Edward Shannon, AIA
To: Housing Knowledge Community
Posted: January 27, 2012 6:54 PM
Subject: RE:Fwd: $349 for three hours of architectural consulting, plans & a 3-D image of your design
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For the most part, I must agree with Ms. Kraft. There are three things happening in this scenerio that make me sceptical.  The first is the unseasoned client's perception, that a well thought out scheme can be developed very quickly.  In my initial meeting with clients, in addition to my portfolio,  i bring a full set of cd's and a sketch file.  The sketch file is an ks bound file of the "bumwad" sketches that get to schematic design.  I explain to them that an architect's training involves searching for unseen possiblilites.  And that design is an exploritory process.  Even as a seasoned architect, it rarely "just happens".  Kind of like writing a good novel.

The second is the "quick scheme" in lieu of a thorough scheme.  Yes, it's what everyone wants, but is it really in their best interest?  I typically produce three schemes for schematic design.  This comes after doing the requisite zoning and code analysis, field measurements and a written client survey.  I explain the advantage of "searching" for the right solution.  These people are typically spending over $100k, sometimes up to $400k.  Is it not worth a little extra to make sure all options have been considered?

The third relates to skipping analysis, filed measurements and programming.  You can't solve a problem before you define the problem.  That takes time.  But, ultimately it is in the client's best interests.

I do think there is some value to consulting.  But, I also think you get what you pay for. 

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Waterloo IA
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From: John Westberg, AIA
To: Housing Knowledge Community
Posted: January 27, 2012 2:21 PM
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John Westberg AIA
Architect
Ancient Edifice
Phoenix AZ
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This is bait. One cannot live on 13 design projects a week. Burnout occurs at two weeks. Staff ? Can't survive. The balance of the project would have to be very large to be sufficient. The one house I saw on their site was a box for a 100/ft. I have extreme doubts that this price is accurate. The foothills in Tucson are rocky, on septic with difficult access. But, if you snag one out of ten, might be survivable. I think overhead would have to be slim, design would have to be as pathetic as their residential example.




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From: Thomas Casey, AIA
To: Housing Knowledge Community
Posted: January 27, 2012 8:44 PM
Subject: RE:Fwd: $349 for three hours of architectural consulting, plans & a 3-D image of your design
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Thomas Casey AIA
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Thomas Casey, AIA, Associates
Bend OR
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This sounds like Design Counseling - collaborative meetings in which the client presents his or her needs and the counselor helps identify  and solve problems. providing information and resources to meet those needs. Design Counseling is essentially Pre - Design offered as a stand-alone service which  may lead to full basic architectural services eventually. But that is not its purpose; it's a limited  service in which the necessary work is completed in one or two meetings.

I believe most people without much if any experience in building are wary of engaging an architect unless or until it is absolutely necessary, particularly in the residential field. The popular notion is that we are an expensive and  unaffordable luxury.  In the initial stages of project inception they are not ready to commit to "blueprints" and therefore believe they do not need an architect.  They are more likely to talk to a realtor, banker, contractor or interior designer before an architect.  The critical fact is that the very first decisions to be made, before the first sketches, are frequently the most important, such as space requirements, site selection and evaluation, zoning constraints, approximate comprehensive costs and budget, market consideration, building performance targets etc... Significant mistakes can be made in this phase that dog the project throughout and cause  unnecessary, often crippling expense. Architects are uniquely equipped to address these subjects and provide information.

Design Counseling is an effective way for architects to be involved in the early planning stages of residential projects. If the clients know the architect will work to minimize costs and give fully objective information and advice, and they know the tme and costs are limited to a simple amount clients will be willing to seek us out sooner rather than later. It is a way to make the architect's ideas and specialized information and resources available to clients who don't want or need the full spectrum or delivery of architectural design services, thereby expanding the population to which architects have relevance.

For the architect this can be great filler work, as the time requirements are relatively small, and it is a way to be paid while possibly developing executable projects. It is also a way to manage the inevitable disbursement of "freebies" resulting from the informal piece-meal requests for information and opinion. But more importantly it is a way for architects to make a significant contribution at project inception to the benefit of the client, increasing  value for the profession in the eyes of the public.

 





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From: Thad Broom, AIA
To: Housing Knowledge Community
Posted: January 26, 2012 9:41 AM
Subject: RE:Fwd: $349 for three hours of architectural consulting, plans & a 3-D image of your design
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Very impressive website filled with pictures of things that he or she couldn't have possibly designed unless they are well over 100 years old. Also saw no mention of being a licensed architect or attending an accredited architectural college or university.

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Thad Broom AIA
Architect
Thad A. Broom AIA, P.C.
Virginia Beach VA
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From: Martha John, AIA
To: Housing Knowledge Community
Posted: January 26, 2012 10:21 AM
Subject: RE:Fwd: $349 for three hours of architectural consulting, plans & a 3-D image of your design
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Do run-of-the-mill architects actually charge $300 an hour for their services???  If so, then it sounds like a pretty good deal, but it also feels like a fishing expedition.

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Martha John AIA
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Martha K. John, Architect
Columbia MO
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From: Sean Catherall, AIA
To: Housing Knowledge Community
Posted: January 26, 2012 11:57 AM
Subject: RE:Fwd: $349 for three hours of architectural consulting, plans & a 3-D image of your design
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I suppose that whether or not it's a good deal depends upon the quality of the work (quality process, quality design, quality documentation, quality estimating, etc.). The only people I know with fees that low aren't architects and don't do what I consider quality work. I don't think I could offer quality work for fees that low and still provide an interactive, iterative process for homeowners. I may able to provide one design scheme for that price, but altering it to accommodate feedback would require additional fees, which I believe homeowners consider unfair "nickel-and-diming". The ad also does not mention the cost and time involved in documenting existing conditions nor structural engineering, which can have significant impacts on design fees for a remodel project.

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Herriman UT
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From: William Hirsch, AIA
To: Housing Knowledge Community
Posted: January 26, 2012 6:31 PM
Subject: RE:Fwd: $349 for three hours of architectural consulting, plans & a 3-D image of your design
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Hooray for the business spirit of Buras Architecture.

I get inquiries from time to time and from around the world for advice. These come due to the sales of my book, Designing Your Perfect House. I offer three hours of design review and critique for a bit more than this rate, but not much. The client sends me their plans and notes about what they want, what they like and dislike about the plans they have to date, and any questions they might have. I spend about an hour reviewing everything, an hour writing up some notes and quick sketches to explain my points, and then I have a web conference meeting with them for an hour through GoToMeeting. When we are done, they have a better idea of how to make their house better, they feel empowered to ask more of their builder and/or architect, and they always feel they have gotten much more value for their money than they had even hoped for. I make my billing rate. And I have helped someone out. Helping others makes me happy. I'm all about making me happy!

So where's the harm here with what Buras is doing? If he filled his work week with these, His $120/hr. rate would convert to $240,000 annually with two weeks of vacation. How many of you out there are doing that well these days, or anytime in the past, for that matter? We're architects. The business part of our brains never developed properly. If it had, we would have chosen another profession.

I would suggest that more architects think of their services in small hourly chunks. We could fill our schedule with profitable work while helping people develop a better house design. Couldn't we all help people choose a good plan from a book and find ways to improve it? Absolutely. Chances are many of the people you help will come back for some more advice and information. You will have repeat, small accounts. And some of those three hour reviews would turn into larger projects.

Is there anyone out there who agrees with this concept or are we all too brainwashed by the professional elite to allow ourselves to see ourselves as a service business/profession and not just a luxury service.
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ARCHITECT
William J Hirsch, Jr Inc
West End NC
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From: Eric Rawlings, AIA
To: Housing Knowledge Community
Posted: January 27, 2012 7:58 AM
Subject: RE:Fwd: $349 for three hours of architectural consulting, plans & a 3-D image of your design
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My business model has been always been based on the concept of reducing services to reduce fees in order to access a larger untapped group of clients. It's all about the basic concept of charging the minimum set up fee for small projects or limited scope services vs bundling services for a discount. It's not about the size of the fee, it's about the dollars earned per hour! Considering how few of us there are, there is more work out there than we can handle, especially spec work (over 80% of all new houses). I've had more spec builders come find me in the last year or so because they've realized mass producing as many houses as possible is no way to make profit right now. They are turning to quality based strategies. I've been able to convince them through my past sales history that mass produced houses always sell for less than my unique Architectural spec houses of the same size. I explain to them that there is no urgency for a buyer to purchase a copy when there are other copies around town and more copies to come. When someone falls in love with one of our unique houses, they know there will never be another one, so they do feel a sense of urgency to pay more and pay now. The agents and builders are selling them much faster and for much more. You can make a reputation shooting fish in a barrel too and the builders will seek you out. This is how we raise our worth. Only a spec house sells for new house prices and gives you an instant sales history. When you can prove your worth in the market place, you become valuable. When agents and builders see you as their key to success, you have the ball in your court for once!

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Rawlings Design, Inc.
Decatur GA
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From: Martha John, AIA
To: Housing Knowledge Community
Posted: January 27, 2012 10:12 AM
Subject: RE:Fwd: $349 for three hours of architectural consulting, plans & a 3-D image of your design
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This is actually something I was thinking about as I read other responses.  Some twenty years ago I ran across a publication by an architect who suggested increasing your bottom line (particularly in difficult economic times) with "consulting" work.  That is exactly what this sort of thing is, and you (Mr. Hirsch) describe it very well.  In this case, one isn't really offering services that require an architect's license (though a person with such a license will undoubtedly do a better job) but providing an analysis and educated suggestions of a way forward for the client.  It is a discrete activity, with a specific result that the client can then take to an architect or builder for further action.  In some cases, it might get the same architect a more complete job.  But just dismissing out of hand the idea of doing such consults is silly.

Where I do think this "coupon offer" is misleading is in the claim that it is worth $900.  Seriously???

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Architect
Martha K. John, Architect
Columbia MO
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From: Rand Soellner
To: Housing Knowledge Community
Posted: January 26, 2012 7:51 PM
Subject: RE:Fwd: $349 for three hours of architectural consulting, plans & a 3-D image of your design
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Hello Allen, that guy appears to no longer be licensed in the state where he once was, according to that state's licensing board.  In other words, these services do not appear to be presently offered by a registered, licensed architect.  My understanding is that if the person/entity offering "architectural" services is not presently an architect licensed anywhere, that this brings into question usage of the term "architect" in any of its forms, including "architectural." I can understand the desperation people feel in a challenged economy, but when they let credentials slip, they should start using terms like "design services," rather than "architectural." And having it appear that this is a legitimate architect offering such a package doesn't help the profession. You may want to bring this to the attention of others who can encourage the person to rephrase the title of their type of service.  In accordance with stipulations governing this AIA website, my response has to do solely with the licensure of those involved and nothing else.

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Rand Soellner Architect
Cashiers NC
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From: Richard Jordison, AIA
To: Housing Knowledge Community
Posted: January 27, 2012 11:42 AM
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Richard Jordison AIA
Everett WA
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Many of you may not recall the old notion of ethical conduct, but advertising such as this was once considered "unprofessional" and beneath the dignity of any self-respecting architect. The general consensus was that it "cheapened" our profession.




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From: Eric Rawlings, AIA
To: Housing Knowledge Community
Posted: January 30, 2012 6:40 AM
Subject: RE:Fwd: $349 for three hours of architectural consulting, plans & a 3-D image of your design
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And as we ethically maintained our elitist professional stance, the rest of the country moved on without us. For 6 decades we've managed to hand the housing industry over to the builder and we never evolved when the economy and middle class took off in the 1950s. Instead we found more ways to charge the same group of clients a little more for services they really didn't need and we spend gobs more time doing it. In the end we think we're reducing liability by giving lawyers more documents to sift through. Conflicting or incorrect information can be far more damning than missing information. No offense old timers, but I'm not seeing our behavior in the past as being a good model for a healthy profession in the future. The results over the years have spoken for themselves. We need to learn how to be creative entrepreneurs. We must lose this attitude of elitism and recognize that there is nothing unprofessional about providing good Architecture to all Americans, and not just millionaires and billionaires. The majority of buildings being built are single family dwellings and the average American knows we're not designing very many of them. Generally speaking, the average person has little respect for us because they see average people doing our job everyday and wonder why we even exist. The more we ignore this sector, the less respect we'll command overall. We're barely designing a fraction of our built environment and the majority of the buildings that we design the least are the buildings Americans use the most. Think about that...
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Rawlings Design, Inc.
Decatur GA
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From: Lewis Faulkner Jr., AIA
To: Housing Knowledge Community
Posted: January 31, 2012 9:15 AM
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Lewis Faulkner AIA
Richardson TX
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Some of us are old enough to have lived through many ups and downs in our economy.  Back in the mid 70s to early 80s I had a design-build firm in Dallas.  It was when the AIA did not like architects to "build".  But I did it anyway.  I knew that I could not receive fair compensation for my design services so I designed and built homes with my brother and sold them as spec houses.  We had others come to us and wanted a custom designed home on their lot.  We did well until interest rates went through the roof and put us out of business.  I left that business and went and did something else.

Quit the whining.  If you want to have a major impact on the residential market you will never do it by hanging your shingle out and waiting for someone to come inside.  What about working for a major home builder?  That may be where you can have the greatest impact over the largest community.  Or start small as I did and team up with a small builder.  You can do more than just design if you are not afraid to get your hands wet or dirty.

Quit worring about the past and start planning today what you will be doing tomorrow and the day after tomorrow.





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From: Eric Rawlings, AIA
To: Housing Knowledge Community
Posted: February 01, 2012 8:12 AM
Subject: RE:Fwd: $349 for three hours of architectural consulting, plans & a 3-D image of your design
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I work with several builders, random homeowners, and some commercial clients as well. I'm not whining, I'm passing on the news to those who have run themselves into a corner traveling down the road most traveled. Although I got my hands plenty dirty with construction work in the 90s, my skills are best utilized designing. I could make more money with design-build, but I'd maybe complete 5-10 houses a year as opposed to dozens. I'd have to stop doing commercial work as well. I've managed to keep myself plenty busy and many of you can too. That's why I'm spreading the news. Reduce your services to reduce your fee and you will open your doors to millions of potential clients who were being ignored before without lowering your worth. Satisfying a home builder with design is like shooting fish in a barrel. They want drawings ASAP and will not bleed your fee on mundane indecisiveness like home owners can. I make my best money per hour with spec builders and I have convinced them all that each house must be a unique design. My sales history proves that people are willing to spend more money and spend it sooner on a unique house over the cookie cutter. If they fall in love with the unique house, there will be only one. There is a sense of urgency to buy it now and for more. The cookie cutters will make more of the same thing and probably have several copies available today. There is no urgency to buy them. I'm doing this in a city that is #3 when it comes to the most mortgages that are underwater (almost 60%) and we've been at the top of the foreclosure stats as well. Despite the economic difficulties, regular people are moving on with their lives and this economy is turning around this year, regardless of what some may want you to believe. Homebuilders are getting active again and people like me have positioned themselves to help.

Residential died more than a year before commercial even showed signs of trouble (in most places) . I'd say there will be a commercial lag as well as things pick back up. Housing makes far more money and since we became a global economic power, it has always led the economic trends for building in general. You were creative about delivering better design to the average person as a design builder, but didn't roll with the punches when the interest rates went through the roof. Evolving ahead of economic changes may be next to impossible, but evolving before the new conditions result in your failure is possible. It's not that hard to get it right once, but getting it right over and over is the real talent as a business person. This is the creative talent most of us don't exercise regularly, but I do believe we have it in us. Look how creative Art majors have to be about making money with their degrees. I find the successful ones absolutely fascinating.

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Eric Rawlings AIA
Owner
Rawlings Design, Inc.
Decatur GA
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RE:Fwd: $349 for three hours of architectural consulting, plans &...
From: Thomas Casey, AIA
To: Housing Knowledge Community
Posted: February 01, 2012 3:50 PM
Subject: RE:Fwd: $349 for three hours of architectural consulting, plans & a 3-D image of your design
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Thomas Casey AIA
Architect
Thomas Casey, AIA, Associates
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The standard of practice that held advertising to be "unprofessional" emerged prior to the consent decree architects were required to sign, mandated by the Supreme Court circa 1985, which forbids architects to discuss or mention fees among themselves; such conversation being legally defined as professional collusion. The principle being upheld was that of free enterprise in which buyers of services can shop for and negotiate price. Previously the profession and, I believe, the AIA published standard fee schedules which tended to remove price from selection.  The ruling  put price front and center and increased the competition among design professionals. I believe it made business promotion and public relations much more critical to the life blood of practice, and advertising is fundamental to the process.





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Eric Rawlings' comments
From: Christopher Moomaw, AIA
To: Housing Knowledge Community
Posted: January 27, 2012 12:00 PM
Subject: Eric Rawlings' comments
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Christopher Moomaw AIA
Christopher S. Moomaw Architect
Ridgefield CT
------------------------------------------Eric Rawlings makes some very cogent comments about our profession having to adapt with and to its times, and especially to seek to be viewed less as an elitist profession.  Unfortunately, these are times of instant answers and expected instant responses.  The principal casualty of the information age is the time to ponder, to think, to consider alternatives, to let an idea gel overnight, or overweek, or overmonth.  This is especially true in architectural design, where, normally, Schematic Design is followed by - duh - Design Development.  For our $349 practitioner, I like his rent-a-brain approach, but hopefully he makes his "clients" aware that there is much more to design - and to architecture - than pretty pictures produced in quick-time.

There is also an aspect of professional liability lurking in this approach for such a designer that needs to be considered.  While we assume that one cannot build from the "documents" produced by this abbreviated process, some may well try, especially with unscrupulous builder third parties who may become involved and who, by most States' laws, only need to guarantee their work for a calendar year after CofO.  Just as Design-Build can be a liability minefield (or is it Build-Design?), I can see that happening in this direction.  Would you believe a small minefield? 
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More comments on $349 for 3 hours
From: Debra Coleman, AIA
To: Housing Knowledge Community
Posted: January 27, 2012 2:20 PM
Subject: More comments on $349 for 3 hours
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William asked: "Is there anyone out there who agrees with this concept or are we all too brainwashed by the professional elite to allow ourselves to see ourselves as a service business/profession and not just a luxury service."

I agree and also thought it was a creative service!  (I feel certain that he probably had a list of disclaimers about what could and could not be done within the scope of the very limited service.)  I too offer a similar scope of service for consulting (nationally regarding passive solar) through my web site. While there is not a huge demand, those who have taken advantage of it seem very grateful.  They can then take the advice to another design professional or work with us.  While I am encouraging the consulting service in a slower economy, in a  busier one I am often reluctant to encourage it (but still offer it) since it seems to take as much brain space to hold the details of a $395 project review as it does for one that earns much more. In addition, the customer service times spent on getting a client to accept any level of architectural consulting or design is about the same in order to help the client feel comfortable enough to trust you with their home and that time which can be substantial needs to be factored in as well.

Do I dare mention that I sell CAD files of our passive solar house designs and actually encourage people to work with other architects in their area to have changes made as an alternative to a full custom?  I am convinced that is is not so much the fees of limited service custom design that scare people away as it is the time it will take them to work with an architect in addition to the uncertainty and risk that they may not like the outcome.  Choosing an existing design minimizes those fears for the customer.

One last note, Sun Plans is not doing very well with the sale of existing house plans right now; however, I am very encouraged that a much greater percentage of the work (compared to a stronger economy) that we currently have is for adaptation to designs and custom designs.  Perhaps is because those who have been conservative enough with their money to be able to build a new home right now are also more thoughtful in planning other things in their life and therefore see the value in an architect?  I would love to see a motto similar to "you cannot afford NOT to hire an architect" integrated into AIA's marketing.

I agree that we need to be much more creative on the business end!

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Debra Rucker Coleman, AIA
Architect
Sun Plans Inc.
Mobile, AL

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$349
From: S. Jones, AIA
To: Housing Knowledge Community
Posted: February 01, 2012 4:14 PM
Subject: $349
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Eric is pretty harsh but the reprimand is not off base. As a architect developer that has hired architects and had to come behind them and fix half of the things they did or didn't do we are not totally innocent in this regard.
Every business has had to respond to competition - a color 19 inch TV set in 1980 was $350 in today's dollars that equates to over $1000 if they even sold that size any more you could get it for $150 today in today's dollars.
Look at Legal Zoom.com they are taking legal services to a new level.
Get ready architectural services are not immune.
We have to evolve or die. Know the customer and respond to what they need not what we want them to need.





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S. Berry Jones, AIA
Memphis TN
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