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Camels on the Head of a Pin
From: Mike Mense, FAIA
To: Committee on Design
Posted: May 24, 2011 1:06 PM
Subject: Camels on the Head of a Pin
Message:

Should it really be called the Committee on Excellence?  Or maybe the Committee on Style?

Throughout the AIA, there is an attempt to make sure that the Knowledge Communities (KC's) are providing as much value as possible to as many members as possible.  For the most part, value in this case has been defined as Knowledge.  So, the Committee on Design (COD) needs to be conveying as much knowledge as possible to as many members as possible.  Amongst the KC's, presumably, there is a subset of architectural knowledge about which the COD knows the most.  That is the knowledge COD should be conveying. 

 

What is that knowledge?

 

The COD was founded to promote design excellence.  What knowledge of value can the COD provide to AIA members about design excellence?  What it is?  How to achieve it?  How to recognize it?

 

One more time, if all of the other KC's are conveying knowledge related to their niches, what should the COD be conveying?

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Mike Mense FAIA
mmenseArchitect
Anchorage AK
2012 Chair of the Committee on Design

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RE:Camels on the Head of a Pin
From: Kenneth Moffett, AIA
To: Committee on Design
Posted: May 25, 2011 11:19 AM
Subject: RE:Camels on the Head of a Pin
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Knowledge about design remains, to this day, largely unstated; certainly unquantified. Design excellence consists of vague issues of consensus regarding design excellence at a given point in time. "We know it when we see it." There is certainly excellent modernist design to be discerned, just as there is excellent historicist design (though the latter remains disdained by the large bulk of the profession and the academy). The same is the case with bad modernism and bad historicism, which of course comprise the large bulk of what gets built, if I may be so rude as to say so. In general, we are not artists on a large scale, nor are we intellectuals, despite the fact that many architects would dearly love to be so considered. A paucity of specific critical analysis of built form remains the largest barrier to informed aesthetic decision making with respect to architecture and urbanism.

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Kenneth Moffett AIA
Bullock Smith & Partners
Knoxville TN
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RE:Camels on the Head of a Pin
From: Mike Mense, FAIA
To: Committee on Design
Posted: May 25, 2011 2:16 PM
Subject: RE:Camels on the Head of a Pin
Message:
Kenneth
Yes, you hit at least one of the nails right on the head. Our task is to try to get beyond what you describe. Can you please try to list a few things that help you to recognize it when you see it?
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Mike Mense FAIA
Anchorage AK
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RE:Camels on the Head of a Pin
From: Walter Hainsfurther, FAIA
To: Committee on Design
Posted: May 26, 2011 7:58 AM
Subject: RE:Camels on the Head of a Pin
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Mike:

Names are meaningless to me.  Actions are more valuable. KCs also create great value in being the voice of the profession in their area of expertise.  The COD should be as much about communicating the value of architecture to the public as it is about developing knowledge about design to its members.  So here are some things I would like to see COD engage in:
  • Develop a national policy on design and advocate for its adoption.  This is something many countries, especially in Europe, have, but the US does not.  It is something that a number of publications are looking for us to do.
  • Work with others, such as Target and Virgin, to communicate that value of good design to the public.
  • Develop an annual survey about design trends in the industry.
  • Leverage our awards programs better, not just at the national level, but including the 300 components, most of whom have award programe.  Interview clients about how these outstanding designs have improved their lives and solved their problems. Is the building performing as expected? Talk to contractors about what the architects did right and what they believe should be improved.  Interview the design team about how they approached the problem and how it was sold.
  • Make your programs available to more members remotely.  I know you believe your experiential programs like is coming up in Seattle are available to all your members, but from comments we have heard in the past, members do not realize this.  That's a communication problem, but it also might be that the programs are not being delivered the way members want to access them.
  • Connect the Committees on Design that exist in our components.  Share information, agendas, and experiences.  Give them tools to deliver knowledge to their members.

Mike, you know me well enough that you can call on me to help in any way. 


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Walter Hainsfurther FAIA
Kurtz Associates Architects
Des Plaines IL
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RE:Camels on the Head of a Pin
From: Mike Mense, FAIA
To: Committee on Design
Posted: May 26, 2011 2:05 PM
Subject: RE:Camels on the Head of a Pin
Message:
Walter
Thanks for your thoughts. I don't think I am alone in being able to cheer harder when I know what I am cheering about. I hope when you said you don't care about names, you didn't mean the same about words. To the point, though, either through drawings, pictures or words, can you explain the value of architecture? Does that value increase in proportion to the excellence of the architecture? I think it's ok for lay people to operate on a "know it when I see it" basis. I don't think that's an adequate basis for the practice of architecture.
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RE:Camels on the Head of a Pin
From: Stephen Loos, FAIA
To: Committee on Design
Posted: May 27, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: RE:Camels on the Head of a Pin
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Mike,
I think you have asked some important questions, and our good friend, Walter, has started you on the path to some significant answers.  I'd like to build on Walter's comments with a few thoughts.

First, to me, the primary objective of our knowledge agenda must be the enhancement of the credibility of our architect members.  By that I mean that we must use knowledge to further strengthen the understanding of and demand for architectural services - what we bring to the party as an integral component of the team charged with creating the built environment.

To that end, I believe the COD could have a very beneficial discussion about our awards programs at every level of the Institute.  I don't believe the general public is well enough versed in design excellence to be able to consistently "know it when they see it."  To often, awards are given at local and national levels with very little accompanying information about why these projects were truly worthy of awards.  About the only thing the public sees are the beautiful photographs which translate, in their minds, as equating awards with nothing morer than aesthetics and great photography.  

i would encourage COD's contribution to the knowledge agenda to be a "fleshing out" of the rationale for receipt of design awards - establishing clear, comprehensive criteria for award designations, and helping to make sure that more of the reasoning behind the award's relevance and merit makes it to the published commentaries.  I can't tell you how often I have been frustrated by the published results providing so little insight into the real merits of the projects being recognized.  

I believe that this greater depth of documentation would go a long way to alleviating some of the public's preconceptions about design being all about aesthetics and ego satisfaction.

As with Walter, I would welcome the opportunity to help move this discussion forward.

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Stephen Loos FAIA
Principal
The Mulhern Group Ltd.
Lyons CO
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RE:Camels on the Head of a Pin
From: Mike Mense, FAIA
To: Committee on Design
Posted: May 27, 2011 2:13 PM
Subject: RE:Camels on the Head of a Pin
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Stephen
Right On!  At COD, we have an Honors and Awards Coordinator.  I will make sure he sees this and see if he can figure out a way for us to work on this.  I trust you understand that we already spend a large amount of volunteer energy submitting the various nominations, but maybe we can expand our team and make some progress.  I have also recently been reading some documents authored by Barton Phelps FAIA on these subjects.  Maybe we could hook him into this.
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RE:Camels on the Head of a Pin
From: David Clarke, AIA
To: Committee on Design
Posted: May 27, 2011 10:07 AM
Subject: RE:Camels on the Head of a Pin
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1) "... a national policy on design," what does that mean? Can you give a specific example of a national policy in one of those European countries?
2) Why would publications (and which ones) look for us to advocate for a national policy on design?
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David Clarke AIA, Senior Architect
Williams Design Group, Inc.
President-Elect, AIA New Mexico Southern Chapter
Las Cruces NM

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RE:Camels on the Head of a Pin
From: Mike Mense, FAIA
To: Committee on Design
Posted: May 27, 2011 2:01 PM
Subject: RE:Camels on the Head of a Pin
Message:
David
Great questions!
Walter? (Hainsfurther, that is, but, of course, if anyone else has ideas about these questions, that's great too!)

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Mike Mense FAIA
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mmenseArchitect
Anchorage AK

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Sent: 05-27-2011 10:06
From: David Clarke
Subject: Camels on the Head of a Pin

1) "... a national policy on design," what does that mean? Can you give a specific example of a national policy in one of those European countries?
2) Why would publications (and which ones) look for us to advocate for a national policy on design?
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David Clarke AIA, Senior Architect
Williams Design Group, Inc.
President-Elect, AIA New Mexico Southern Chapter
Las Cruces NM





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RE:Camels on the Head of a Pin
From: Ms. Gisela Schmidt
To: Committee on Design
Posted: May 25, 2011 12:37 PM
Subject: RE:Camels on the Head of a Pin
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Vitruvius said "Commodity Firmness and Delight" but it seems that with some exceptions there is more emphasis in Delight than the other two.
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RE:Camels on the Head of a Pin
From: Mike Mense, FAIA
To: Committee on Design
Posted: May 25, 2011 2:25 PM
Subject: RE:Camels on the Head of a Pin
Message:
Are you suggesting that we should judge excellence in architectural design based on the extent of it's commodity, firmness and delight? If so, maybe we should be showing people how to recognize, and/or achieve C,F&D? Any ideas about how to do that?
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Camels on the head of a pin
From: John Dixon, FAIA
To: Committee on Design
Posted: May 25, 2011 5:55 PM
Subject: Camels on the head of a pin
Message:

COD exists because AIA needed a committee that's not on a "niche" concern.
We've promoted Commodity, Firmness, and  Delight through our crucial involvement in awards program (nominating, assembling juries) and our conferences (extraordinary learning opportunities).
Is there some way we can distributed enlightening reports on our conferences. (If we're doing that now, here's one members whose not seeing them.)
Do the AIA pages now available in Architecture magazine offer an opportunity to share what we learn at our conferences?
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John Dixon FAIA
Old Greenwich CT
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RE:Camels on the Head of a Pin
From: Mr. Walter Hosack
To: Committee on Design
Posted: May 26, 2011 3:37 PM
Subject: RE:Camels on the Head of a Pin
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That's the problem in a nutshell, Mike. Design is based on opinion and fine art with a little guidance from the building and zoning codes. A lot of our knowledge is borrowed from engineering. There is a way to build design knowledge relevant to architecture and the public interest, but it requires a departure from the pattern languages of the past. I hesitate to mention this since it could be interpreted as self-serving, but you may be interested in visiting my blog for another perspective. Design is an issue that will affect our sustainable future, but it needs a new explanation and convincing justification that is based on the knowledge it can assemble. This is the only way to empower the advice it seeks to offer, in my opinion. See: "Cities and Design" at http://wmhosack.blogspot.com

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Walter M. Hosack
Dublin OH
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RE:Camels on the Head of a Pin
From: Michael Ytterberg, AIA
To: Committee on Design
Posted: May 27, 2011 8:26 AM
Subject: RE:Camels on the Head of a Pin
Message:
This message has been cross posted to the following Discussion Forums: Residential Knowledge Community and Committee on Design .
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Michael Ytterberg AIA
Principal
BLT Architects
Philadelphia PA
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Names are meaningless only when there is no meaning. Those who deny meanings typically are seeking to deny the unspoken value system that motivates their actions.

And though Mr. Hosack is quite right to insist that many more of the decisions concerning the built environment
could profit by a rigorous mathematical basis, that approach, too, will never escape the issue of value.

I am always heartened to know that there are many architects out there like the gentleman who responded the other day, Mr. Moffett, who accepted a plurality of styles as a given in contemporary society. He was right on target with his suggestions.

As long as architects are governed primarily by ideology (and modernism has always been, and is acknowledged to be, an ideology), the public will never accept the profession as being primarily motivated by the interests of society as opposed to interests that are self-serving. Good health is obvious to all - doctors do not have to educate the public on the virtues of good health, only how to get there.  Winning a law suit has its own universal value - lawyers educate, again, on how to get there or avoid them. "Good design" that isn't based on the values of those it seeks to serve is meaningless.

We can accept the human condition as the grounds for study on how to serve society, or we can stay focused on the head of a pin.
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