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I'm currently house hunting and this house was just listed on the market. Built in 1962 in central Des Moines, the style alone suggests that it would've have been designed by an architect. There isn't another house like it in town and it's built into the side of a hill that indicates it was designed specifically for that spot.

The realtor's description says "Frank Lloyd Wright inspired home". This bothers me. First, this is not FLW's style (you are free to disagree - I'm always willing to learn!). Mies Van de Rohe, yes, Saarinen, yes, even a little Phillip Johnson, but not Wright. Secondly, and more importanly, why would the realtor simply not give credit to the architect who ACTUALLY designed it? I remember seeing an estate sale ad for this location (which is why I've been watching to see if the house came up for sale or not!). The stuff listed was the "good stuff". Brand name mid century, Danish modern items. That indicates to me that the original owners have just left the home - so if they weren't the architect, then they would've had some record of the architect some place - right? Here's the link to the listing I'm talking about. If it doesnt work, please let me know in a reply. 
http://www.iowarealty.com/buying/detail_ml.asp?list_numb=407251&SearchFilter=8&house=5700&street=&

I'm on a bit of a rant about this, but what I really want to know is how can we work better with realtors to promote our industry while helping them with their business? It seems like an important business relationship that doesn't currently exist. Does anyone have suggestions on what we can do?

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Brenda Nelson Assoc. AIA
Woodruff Design, LLC
Cedar Rapids IA
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I agree that recognition to the architect should somehow stay with the home or other building. A few months back I posted about an idea of AIA creating stickers that we could post somewhere in the house that would stay with the house similar how Energy Star certification goes on the electrical panel. Or it were a drawing tube permanently added (chained?) somewhere with the set of drawings, that could help with modifications.  The goal would be for their to be a line item on the appraisal form to that could list the architect if known. Perhaps it should say House Designer:  with then a box to check if licensed architect, then maybe another box for AIA Architect? Then another to check if blueprints of the home are present? I'd purchase a stack of fill in the blank stickers (maybe about 4"x5") to give to clients to post near the electrical panel - unless someone has another suggested location!

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Debra Rucker Coleman, AIA
Architect
Sun Plans Inc.
Mobile, AL
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-01-2012 09:53
From: Brenda Nelson
Subject: Architect Recognition and Realtors

I'm currently house hunting and this house was just listed on the market. Built in 1962 in central Des Moines, the style alone suggests that it would've have been designed by an architect. There isn't another house like it in town and it's built into the side of a hill that indicates it was designed specifically for that spot.

The realtor's description says "Frank Lloyd Wright inspired home". This bothers me. First, this is not FLW's style (you are free to disagree - I'm always willing to learn!). Mies Van de Rohe, yes, Saarinen, yes, even a little Phillip Johnson, but not Wright. Secondly, and more importanly, why would the realtor simply not give credit to the architect who ACTUALLY designed it? I remember seeing an estate sale ad for this location (which is why I've been watching to see if the house came up for sale or not!). The stuff listed was the "good stuff". Brand name mid century, Danish modern items. That indicates to me that the original owners have just left the home - so if they weren't the architect, then they would've had some record of the architect some place - right? Here's the link to the listing I'm talking about. If it doesnt work, please let me know in a reply. 
http://www.iowarealty.com/buying/detail_ml.asp?list_numb=407251&SearchFilter=8&house=5700&street=&

I'm on a bit of a rant about this, but what I really want to know is how can we work better with realtors to promote our industry while helping them with their business? It seems like an important business relationship that doesn't currently exist. Does anyone have suggestions on what we can do?
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Brenda Nelson Assoc. AIA
Woodruff Design, LLC
Cedar Rapids IA
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On the public and governmental projects I've designed, I typically designed a metal plaque that was proudly mounted in the lobby of the project.  The problem on a home design project is getting someone to pay for this and for allowing it to be part of their decor.  Perhaps if it was small enough and something we architects paid for as part of our marketing costs.  And maybe we could convince our clients that having such an identification could increase the value and appeal of their home, which is likely.

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Rand Soellner AIA
Architect/Owner/Principal
Home Architects
Cashiers NC
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-02-2012 08:56
From: Debra Coleman
Subject: Architect Recognition and Realtors

I agree that recognition to the architect should somehow stay with the home or other building. A few months back I posted about an idea of AIA creating stickers that we could post somewhere in the house that would stay with the house similar how Energy Star certification goes on the electrical panel. Or it were a drawing tube permanently added (chained?) somewhere with the set of drawings, that could help with modifications.  The goal would be for their to be a line item on the appraisal form to that could list the architect if known. Perhaps it should say House Designer:  with then a box to check if licensed architect, then maybe another box for AIA Architect? Then another to check if blueprints of the home are present? I'd purchase a stack of fill in the blank stickers (maybe about 4"x5") to give to clients to post near the electrical panel - unless someone has another suggested location!

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Debra Rucker Coleman, AIA
Architect
Sun Plans Inc.
Mobile, AL
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-01-2012 09:53
From: Brenda Nelson
Subject: Architect Recognition and Realtors

I'm currently house hunting and this house was just listed on the market. Built in 1962 in central Des Moines, the style alone suggests that it would've have been designed by an architect. There isn't another house like it in town and it's built into the side of a hill that indicates it was designed specifically for that spot.

The realtor's description says "Frank Lloyd Wright inspired home". This bothers me. First, this is not FLW's style (you are free to disagree - I'm always willing to learn!). Mies Van de Rohe, yes, Saarinen, yes, even a little Phillip Johnson, but not Wright. Secondly, and more importanly, why would the realtor simply not give credit to the architect who ACTUALLY designed it? I remember seeing an estate sale ad for this location (which is why I've been watching to see if the house came up for sale or not!). The stuff listed was the "good stuff". Brand name mid century, Danish modern items. That indicates to me that the original owners have just left the home - so if they weren't the architect, then they would've had some record of the architect some place - right? Here's the link to the listing I'm talking about. If it doesnt work, please let me know in a reply. 
http://www.iowarealty.com/buying/detail_ml.asp?list_numb=407251&SearchFilter=8&house=5700&street=&

I'm on a bit of a rant about this, but what I really want to know is how can we work better with realtors to promote our industry while helping them with their business? It seems like an important business relationship that doesn't currently exist. Does anyone have suggestions on what we can do?
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Brenda Nelson Assoc. AIA
Woodruff Design, LLC
Cedar Rapids IA
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Rand, I think that designing and providing plaques that could be mounted somewhere in or on the home is a great idea! This would be good marketing and, if the plaque was small enough and cool enough, most people would probably proudly display it. It would even be good for additions and remodeling projects.

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Dawn Zuber AIA
Owner
Studio Z Architecture
Canton MI
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-03-2012 07:27
From: Rand Soellner
Subject: Architect Recognition and Realtors

On the public and governmental projects I've designed, I typically designed a metal plaque that was proudly mounted in the lobby of the project.  The problem on a home design project is getting someone to pay for this and for allowing it to be part of their decor.  Perhaps if it was small enough and something we architects paid for as part of our marketing costs.  And maybe we could convince our clients that having such an identification could increase the value and appeal of their home, which is likely.

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Rand Soellner AIA
Architect/Owner/Principal
Home Architects
Cashiers NC
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Perhaps architects could receive royalties on their work like recording artists.  Everytime a building sells, architects could receive a precentage of the increased value.  Property taxes are adjusted for every new sale.  Why can't an architect's royalty change for each sale as well?  After all, we are the authors of our own work.  The work is copyrighted isn't it?

One problem:  Sometimes properties sell for less than they did previously, doh.  What to do then?  Make architects pay the new owner a percentage of the difference?  Not going to happen.  
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Ken Brogno AIA
Architect AIA LEED AP
San Francisco CA
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-04-2012 08:53
From: Dawn Zuber
Subject: Architect Recognition and Realtors

Rand, I think that designing and providing plaques that could be mounted somewhere in or on the home is a great idea! This would be good marketing and, if the plaque was small enough and cool enough, most people would probably proudly display it. It would even be good for additions and remodeling projects.

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Dawn Zuber AIA
Owner
Studio Z Architecture
Canton MI
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-03-2012 07:27
From: Rand Soellner
Subject: Architect Recognition and Realtors

On the public and governmental projects I've designed, I typically designed a metal plaque that was proudly mounted in the lobby of the project.  The problem on a home design project is getting someone to pay for this and for allowing it to be part of their decor.  Perhaps if it was small enough and something we architects paid for as part of our marketing costs.  And maybe we could convince our clients that having such an identification could increase the value and appeal of their home, which is likely.

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Rand Soellner AIA
Architect/Owner/Principal
Home Architects
Cashiers NC
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I have heard this before... It was presented as... if you write this into the deed (a 5% arch fee at every closing forever) I will give you a 10% discount on my fee.

When you think hard about it... it has too many problems:

What if you were doing a renovation to another architects design?

What if a future architect debowels your renovation or razed part of your house. Should you get part or anything?

On the face of it, I DO love the idea. But as you point out Ken,... its not going to happen.

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David Andreozzi AIA
Owner
Andreozzi Architects
Barrington RI
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Sent: 10-05-2012 12:10
From: Ken Brogno
Subject: Architect Recognition and Realtors


Perhaps architects could receive royalties on their work like recording artists.  Everytime a building sells, architects could receive a precentage of the increased value.  Property taxes are adjusted for every new sale.  Why can't an architect's royalty change for each sale as well?  After all, we are the authors of our own work.  The work is copyrighted isn't it?

One problem:  Sometimes properties sell for less than they did previously, doh.  What to do then?  Make architects pay the new owner a percentage of the difference?  Not going to happen.  
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Ken Brogno AIA
Architect AIA LEED AP
San Francisco CA
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-04-2012 08:53
From: Dawn Zuber
Subject: Architect Recognition and Realtors

Rand, I think that designing and providing plaques that could be mounted somewhere in or on the home is a great idea! This would be good marketing and, if the plaque was small enough and cool enough, most people would probably proudly display it. It would even be good for additions and remodeling projects.

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Dawn Zuber AIA
Owner
Studio Z Architecture
Canton MI
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-03-2012 07:27
From: Rand Soellner
Subject: Architect Recognition and Realtors

On the public and governmental projects I've designed, I typically designed a metal plaque that was proudly mounted in the lobby of the project.  The problem on a home design project is getting someone to pay for this and for allowing it to be part of their decor.  Perhaps if it was small enough and something we architects paid for as part of our marketing costs.  And maybe we could convince our clients that having such an identification could increase the value and appeal of their home, which is likely.

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Rand Soellner AIA
Architect/Owner/Principal
Home Architects
Cashiers NC
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A metal or wood plaque prominently mounted is definitely more visible and elegant and could still be in addition to a sticker near the electrical box.  My main concern is to make it quick and easy, and therefore more wide used in the architect and designer industry. (Engineers and contractors information too could be added by us on the sticker.) The AIA would take charge of creating and issuing the sticker forms to AIA members.

This brings up another question/concern about this forum. Since this is the second time that I have posted such a suggestion and have not heard back from anyone in AIA, does AIA monitor these forums for ideas as to what we as members would like?  Or is it up to one of us to say, ok, I will contact AIA about this? I have been assuming the former. It seems a shame to take the time to address the issue then again with someone else on staff. Do othersreceive feedback from AIA on ideas or know if each of our messages are read and perhaps flagged for possible ideas?

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Debra Rucker Coleman, AIA
Architect
Sun Plans Inc.
Mobile, AL
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-03-2012 07:27
From: Rand Soellner
Subject: Architect Recognition and Realtors

On the public and governmental projects I've designed, I typically designed a metal plaque that was proudly mounted in the lobby of the project.  The problem on a home design project is getting someone to pay for this and for allowing it to be part of their decor.  Perhaps if it was small enough and something we architects paid for as part of our marketing costs.  And maybe we could convince our clients that having such an identification could increase the value and appeal of their home, which is likely.

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Rand Soellner AIA
Architect/Owner/Principal
Home Architects
Cashiers NC
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-02-2012 08:56
From: Debra Coleman
Subject: Architect Recognition and Realtors

I agree that recognition to the architect should somehow stay with the home or other building. A few months back I posted about an idea of AIA creating stickers that we could post somewhere in the house that would stay with the house similar how Energy Star certification goes on the electrical panel. Or it were a drawing tube permanently added (chained?) somewhere with the set of drawings, that could help with modifications.  The goal would be for their to be a line item on the appraisal form to that could list the architect if known. Perhaps it should say House Designer:  with then a box to check if licensed architect, then maybe another box for AIA Architect? Then another to check if blueprints of the home are present? I'd purchase a stack of fill in the blank stickers (maybe about 4"x5") to give to clients to post near the electrical panel - unless someone has another suggested location!

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Debra Rucker Coleman, AIA
Architect
Sun Plans Inc.
Mobile, AL
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-01-2012 09:53
From: Brenda Nelson
Subject: Architect Recognition and Realtors

I'm currently house hunting and this house was just listed on the market. Built in 1962 in central Des Moines, the style alone suggests that it would've have been designed by an architect. There isn't another house like it in town and it's built into the side of a hill that indicates it was designed specifically for that spot.

The realtor's description says "Frank Lloyd Wright inspired home". This bothers me. First, this is not FLW's style (you are free to disagree - I'm always willing to learn!). Mies Van de Rohe, yes, Saarinen, yes, even a little Phillip Johnson, but not Wright. Secondly, and more importanly, why would the realtor simply not give credit to the architect who ACTUALLY designed it? I remember seeing an estate sale ad for this location (which is why I've been watching to see if the house came up for sale or not!). The stuff listed was the "good stuff". Brand name mid century, Danish modern items. That indicates to me that the original owners have just left the home - so if they weren't the architect, then they would've had some record of the architect some place - right? Here's the link to the listing I'm talking about. If it doesnt work, please let me know in a reply. 
http://www.iowarealty.com/buying/detail_ml.asp?list_numb=407251&SearchFilter=8&house=5700&street=&

I'm on a bit of a rant about this, but what I really want to know is how can we work better with realtors to promote our industry while helping them with their business? It seems like an important business relationship that doesn't currently exist. Does anyone have suggestions on what we can do?
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Brenda Nelson Assoc. AIA
Woodruff Design, LLC
Cedar Rapids IA
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I have thought about this before. Submit presentation drawings and complete information on consultants, contractors, subcontractors, to the AIA. They send you back a small tile (say 6"x6") with: the AIA logo, a link to a website where you can look up the info with an AIA project ID, the architects name, and a completion date.  That plaque is installed on the foundation, ideally to the lower right of the front door.  Simple.

The best part is that as renovations and additions are done in the future many plaques could be added.

I would pay $200-300 for such a plaque.

Peace.

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David Andreozzi AIA
Owner
Andreozzi Architects
Barrington RI
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-04-2012 09:06
From: Debra Coleman
Subject: Architect Recognition and Realtors

A metal or wood plaque prominently mounted is definitely more visible and elegant and could still be in addition to a sticker near the electrical box.  My main concern is to make it quick and easy, and therefore more wide used in the architect and designer industry. (Engineers and contractors information too could be added by us on the sticker.) The AIA would take charge of creating and issuing the sticker forms to AIA members.

This brings up another question/concern about this forum. Since this is the second time that I have posted such a suggestion and have not heard back from anyone in AIA, does AIA monitor these forums for ideas as to what we as members would like?  Or is it up to one of us to say, ok, I will contact AIA about this? I have been assuming the former. It seems a shame to take the time to address the issue then again with someone else on staff. Do othersreceive feedback from AIA on ideas or know if each of our messages are read and perhaps flagged for possible ideas?

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Debra Rucker Coleman, AIA
Architect
Sun Plans Inc.
Mobile, AL
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-03-2012 07:27
From: Rand Soellner
Subject: Architect Recognition and Realtors

On the public and governmental projects I've designed, I typically designed a metal plaque that was proudly mounted in the lobby of the project.  The problem on a home design project is getting someone to pay for this and for allowing it to be part of their decor.  Perhaps if it was small enough and something we architects paid for as part of our marketing costs.  And maybe we could convince our clients that having such an identification could increase the value and appeal of their home, which is likely.

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Rand Soellner AIA
Architect/Owner/Principal
Home Architects
Cashiers NC
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-02-2012 08:56
From: Debra Coleman
Subject: Architect Recognition and Realtors

I agree that recognition to the architect should somehow stay with the home or other building. A few months back I posted about an idea of AIA creating stickers that we could post somewhere in the house that would stay with the house similar how Energy Star certification goes on the electrical panel. Or it were a drawing tube permanently added (chained?) somewhere with the set of drawings, that could help with modifications.  The goal would be for their to be a line item on the appraisal form to that could list the architect if known. Perhaps it should say House Designer:  with then a box to check if licensed architect, then maybe another box for AIA Architect? Then another to check if blueprints of the home are present? I'd purchase a stack of fill in the blank stickers (maybe about 4"x5") to give to clients to post near the electrical panel - unless someone has another suggested location!

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Debra Rucker Coleman, AIA
Architect
Sun Plans Inc.
Mobile, AL
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-01-2012 09:53
From: Brenda Nelson
Subject: Architect Recognition and Realtors

I'm currently house hunting and this house was just listed on the market. Built in 1962 in central Des Moines, the style alone suggests that it would've have been designed by an architect. There isn't another house like it in town and it's built into the side of a hill that indicates it was designed specifically for that spot.

The realtor's description says "Frank Lloyd Wright inspired home". This bothers me. First, this is not FLW's style (you are free to disagree - I'm always willing to learn!). Mies Van de Rohe, yes, Saarinen, yes, even a little Phillip Johnson, but not Wright. Secondly, and more importanly, why would the realtor simply not give credit to the architect who ACTUALLY designed it? I remember seeing an estate sale ad for this location (which is why I've been watching to see if the house came up for sale or not!). The stuff listed was the "good stuff". Brand name mid century, Danish modern items. That indicates to me that the original owners have just left the home - so if they weren't the architect, then they would've had some record of the architect some place - right? Here's the link to the listing I'm talking about. If it doesnt work, please let me know in a reply. 
http://www.iowarealty.com/buying/detail_ml.asp?list_numb=407251&SearchFilter=8&house=5700&street=&

I'm on a bit of a rant about this, but what I really want to know is how can we work better with realtors to promote our industry while helping them with their business? It seems like an important business relationship that doesn't currently exist. Does anyone have suggestions on what we can do?
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Brenda Nelson Assoc. AIA
Woodruff Design, LLC
Cedar Rapids IA
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One of the components to my idea of reforming appraisals is to petition the realtor database websites like MLS and FMLS to include the names of the designer and the builder on the main pages that anyone can access. Not only will this allow consumers to do searches for Architects/Designers/Builders, but it gives Appraisers information for valuation that has never been on their radar...who designed and built the houses they are valuing. Would you use Honda's last sale to value a Mercedes? Timex to value a Rolex? That's what they're doing right now because this information simply isn't available. Imagine an Appraiser or Agent digging up the stats on a house 30 years from now and discovering it was designed by a well known Architect from that time and no one knew. As it stands MLS and FMLS are the main resources for Agents and Appraisers to dig up info on houses and market areas and maybe they become more interconnected from city to city or state to state. The websites are hosted by ReMax in the Atlanta area. Maybe it's different where you live?

MLS has created new check boxes for green certifications by request of users. This has allowed them to track how these houses sell compared to the others. Imagine tracking how our houses sell.

I think the plaque idea is great, but some unwitting homeowner may not know what it is or care and decide to remove it during a renovation. We all know great houses get renovated all the time by homeowners with terrible taste. The data base would live forever regardless of what the future owners do to the home.



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Eric Rawlings AIA
Owner
Rawlings Design, Inc.
Decatur GA
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-04-2012 09:43
From: David Andreozzi
Subject: Architect Recognition and Realtors


I have thought about this before. Submit presentation drawings and complete information on consultants, contractors, subcontractors, to the AIA. They send you back a small tile (say 6"x6") with: the AIA logo, a link to a website where you can look up the info with an AIA project ID, the architects name, and a completion date.  That plaque is installed on the foundation, ideally to the lower right of the front door.  Simple.

The best part is that as renovations and additions are done in the future many plaques could be added.

I would pay $200-300 for such a plaque.

Peace.

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David Andreozzi AIA
Owner
Andreozzi Architects
Barrington RI
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-04-2012 09:06
From: Debra Coleman
Subject: Architect Recognition and Realtors

A metal or wood plaque prominently mounted is definitely more visible and elegant and could still be in addition to a sticker near the electrical box.  My main concern is to make it quick and easy, and therefore more wide used in the architect and designer industry. (Engineers and contractors information too could be added by us on the sticker.) The AIA would take charge of creating and issuing the sticker forms to AIA members.

This brings up another question/concern about this forum. Since this is the second time that I have posted such a suggestion and have not heard back from anyone in AIA, does AIA monitor these forums for ideas as to what we as members would like?  Or is it up to one of us to say, ok, I will contact AIA about this? I have been assuming the former. It seems a shame to take the time to address the issue then again with someone else on staff. Do othersreceive feedback from AIA on ideas or know if each of our messages are read and perhaps flagged for possible ideas?

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Debra Rucker Coleman, AIA
Architect
Sun Plans Inc.
Mobile, AL
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-03-2012 07:27
From: Rand Soellner
Subject: Architect Recognition and Realtors

On the public and governmental projects I've designed, I typically designed a metal plaque that was proudly mounted in the lobby of the project.  The problem on a home design project is getting someone to pay for this and for allowing it to be part of their decor.  Perhaps if it was small enough and something we architects paid for as part of our marketing costs.  And maybe we could convince our clients that having such an identification could increase the value and appeal of their home, which is likely.

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Rand Soellner AIA
Architect/Owner/Principal
Home Architects
Cashiers NC
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-02-2012 08:56
From: Debra Coleman
Subject: Architect Recognition and Realtors

I agree that recognition to the architect should somehow stay with the home or other building. A few months back I posted about an idea of AIA creating stickers that we could post somewhere in the house that would stay with the house similar how Energy Star certification goes on the electrical panel. Or it were a drawing tube permanently added (chained?) somewhere with the set of drawings, that could help with modifications.  The goal would be for their to be a line item on the appraisal form to that could list the architect if known. Perhaps it should say House Designer:  with then a box to check if licensed architect, then maybe another box for AIA Architect? Then another to check if blueprints of the home are present? I'd purchase a stack of fill in the blank stickers (maybe about 4"x5") to give to clients to post near the electrical panel - unless someone has another suggested location!

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Debra Rucker Coleman, AIA
Architect
Sun Plans Inc.
Mobile, AL
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-01-2012 09:53
From: Brenda Nelson
Subject: Architect Recognition and Realtors

I'm currently house hunting and this house was just listed on the market. Built in 1962 in central Des Moines, the style alone suggests that it would've have been designed by an architect. There isn't another house like it in town and it's built into the side of a hill that indicates it was designed specifically for that spot.

The realtor's description says "Frank Lloyd Wright inspired home". This bothers me. First, this is not FLW's style (you are free to disagree - I'm always willing to learn!). Mies Van de Rohe, yes, Saarinen, yes, even a little Phillip Johnson, but not Wright. Secondly, and more importanly, why would the realtor simply not give credit to the architect who ACTUALLY designed it? I remember seeing an estate sale ad for this location (which is why I've been watching to see if the house came up for sale or not!). The stuff listed was the "good stuff". Brand name mid century, Danish modern items. That indicates to me that the original owners have just left the home - so if they weren't the architect, then they would've had some record of the architect some place - right? Here's the link to the listing I'm talking about. If it doesnt work, please let me know in a reply. 
http://www.iowarealty.com/buying/detail_ml.asp?list_numb=407251&SearchFilter=8&house=5700&street=&

I'm on a bit of a rant about this, but what I really want to know is how can we work better with realtors to promote our industry while helping them with their business? It seems like an important business relationship that doesn't currently exist. Does anyone have suggestions on what we can do?
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Brenda Nelson Assoc. AIA
Woodruff Design, LLC
Cedar Rapids IA
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About 30 years ago, some of the utility companies developed small brass plaques that were set into the concrete of the front step to show that the home used electric appliances or whatever. We could create a similar AIA plaque, each with a unique number that links to a database showing the name of the home's architect, the year the home was built and possibly even the original plans.

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Sean Catherall AIA
Integrated Property Services
Bluffdale UT
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-03-2012 07:27
From: Rand Soellner
Subject: Architect Recognition and Realtors

On the public and governmental projects I've designed, I typically designed a metal plaque that was proudly mounted in the lobby of the project.  The problem on a home design project is getting someone to pay for this and for allowing it to be part of their decor.  Perhaps if it was small enough and something we architects paid for as part of our marketing costs.  And maybe we could convince our clients that having such an identification could increase the value and appeal of their home, which is likely.

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Rand Soellner AIA
Architect/Owner/Principal
Home Architects
Cashiers NC
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The critical components are a standard logo/plaque and a marketing campaign to support it.  Think like the LEED plaque or similar to an architect's seal.  If it is tasteful, cool and official it will be accepted.  A raised metal circular plaque about 4-5 inches in diameter would be ideal.  Having done many custom projects it needs to be subtly located but somewhere more respectful than the electrical panel. At the exterior entry wall is a bit arrogant but would work best in urban or multifamily projects.  I would suggest either that or adjacent to the address numerals, or lastly recessed in-grade at the entry.  An exterior location would authenticate the architect (or designer) and allow others to know who did the design.  Concrete companies stamp their flatwork all the time, especially in neighborhoods, why should we be any different.  Architect supplied and purchased plaque (following the standard) would be the only way to make it happen.  The AIA should provide the specs otherwise us architects would change it all the time.

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Perry Cofield AIA
Design Ways & Means Architects
Arlington VA
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If the architect-designed home is in a development of similar homes, all is well.  If the custom design runs counter to the styles prevailing in a neighborhood, Realtors call it a "buyer specific listing", a code for HARDER TO SELL.  With a plaque, at least the buyer would know who to call if they wanted to remodel the house!  If the architect-designed home is part of a multiple in a tract, the finished product may have been altered any number of ways in construction.  I think most Realtors neither know nor care about the fine points of a style designation, beyond a few basics.  This doesn't really hurt Realtors- the public may not know either.  The goal of the Realtor is simply to SELL THE HOUSE.  For all this, "Realtor" must be capitalized, lest we be called down for disrespect!  



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Original Message:
Sent: 10-03-2012 07:27
From: Rand Soellner
Subject: Architect Recognition and Realtors

On the public and governmental projects I've designed, I typically designed a metal plaque that was proudly mounted in the lobby of the project.  The problem on a home design project is getting someone to pay for this and for allowing it to be part of their decor.  Perhaps if it was small enough and something we architects paid for as part of our marketing costs.  And maybe we could convince our clients that having such an identification could increase the value and appeal of their home, which is likely.

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Rand Soellner AIA
Architect/Owner/Principal
Home Architects
Cashiers NC
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-02-2012 08:56
From: Debra Coleman
Subject: Architect Recognition and Realtors

I agree that recognition to the architect should somehow stay with the home or other building. A few months back I posted about an idea of AIA creating stickers that we could post somewhere in the house that would stay with the house similar how Energy Star certification goes on the electrical panel. Or it were a drawing tube permanently added (chained?) somewhere with the set of drawings, that could help with modifications.  The goal would be for their to be a line item on the appraisal form to that could list the architect if known. Perhaps it should say House Designer:  with then a box to check if licensed architect, then maybe another box for AIA Architect? Then another to check if blueprints of the home are present? I'd purchase a stack of fill in the blank stickers (maybe about 4"x5") to give to clients to post near the electrical panel - unless someone has another suggested location!

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Debra Rucker Coleman, AIA
Architect
Sun Plans Inc.
Mobile, AL
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-01-2012 09:53
From: Brenda Nelson
Subject: Architect Recognition and Realtors

I'm currently house hunting and this house was just listed on the market. Built in 1962 in central Des Moines, the style alone suggests that it would've have been designed by an architect. There isn't another house like it in town and it's built into the side of a hill that indicates it was designed specifically for that spot.

The realtor's description says "Frank Lloyd Wright inspired home". This bothers me. First, this is not FLW's style (you are free to disagree - I'm always willing to learn!). Mies Van de Rohe, yes, Saarinen, yes, even a little Phillip Johnson, but not Wright. Secondly, and more importanly, why would the realtor simply not give credit to the architect who ACTUALLY designed it? I remember seeing an estate sale ad for this location (which is why I've been watching to see if the house came up for sale or not!). The stuff listed was the "good stuff". Brand name mid century, Danish modern items. That indicates to me that the original owners have just left the home - so if they weren't the architect, then they would've had some record of the architect some place - right? Here's the link to the listing I'm talking about. If it doesnt work, please let me know in a reply. 
http://www.iowarealty.com/buying/detail_ml.asp?list_numb=407251&SearchFilter=8&house=5700&street=&

I'm on a bit of a rant about this, but what I really want to know is how can we work better with realtors to promote our industry while helping them with their business? It seems like an important business relationship that doesn't currently exist. Does anyone have suggestions on what we can do?
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Brenda Nelson Assoc. AIA
Woodruff Design, LLC
Cedar Rapids IA
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Debra,

I agree that it's a great idea. I have forwarded this thread to the AIA Repositioning Initiative team. (Email them with more ideas at repositioning@aia.org.) To learn more go to: http://www.aia.org/repositioning.

As I mentioned from time to time, this is a member peer-to-peer forum. I, as a staff member at the national office in DC, do read all messages, but only forward and reply to posts when I can. (For instance, several staff contributed to my thread reply on "side jobs.") Primarily, I support conferences, publications, and other member-led projects for the 20+ knowledge communities. That's 100+ architect volunteers leading those communities. They will tell you the best way to get your ideas acted upon is to take a volunteer leadership role and the local, state, or national level...including your other idea from March 2011. ;)

Perry, 

I believe it's REALTORS because of trademark, not respect, per se. See the link above to March 2011 thread for my earlier explanation. Fun fact: You can add an auto-replace option on Microsoft Office to always change "architect" to "Architect."
 

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Kathleen Simpson
Manager, Knowledge Communities
The American Institute of Architects
Washington DC
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-04-2012 12:55
From: Perry Cofield
Subject: Architect Recognition and Realtors



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Perry Cofield AIA
Design Ways & Means Architects
Arlington VA
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If the architect-designed home is in a development of similar homes, all is well.  If the custom design runs counter to the styles prevailing in a neighborhood, Realtors call it a "buyer specific listing", a code for HARDER TO SELL.  With a plaque, at least the buyer would know who to call if they wanted to remodel the house!  If the architect-designed home is part of a multiple in a tract, the finished product may have been altered any number of ways in construction.  I think most Realtors neither know nor care about the fine points of a style designation, beyond a few basics.  This doesn't really hurt Realtors- the public may not know either.  The goal of the Realtor is simply to SELL THE HOUSE.  For all this, "Realtor" must be capitalized, lest we be called down for disrespect!  


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Original Message:
Sent: 10-03-2012 07:27
From: Rand Soellner
Subject: Architect Recognition and Realtors

On the public and governmental projects I've designed, I typically designed a metal plaque that was proudly mounted in the lobby of the project.  The problem on a home design project is getting someone to pay for this and for allowing it to be part of their decor.  Perhaps if it was small enough and something we architects paid for as part of our marketing costs.  And maybe we could convince our clients that having such an identification could increase the value and appeal of their home, which is likely.

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Rand Soellner AIA
Architect/Owner/Principal
Home Architects
Cashiers NC
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-02-2012 08:56
From: Debra Coleman
Subject: Architect Recognition and Realtors

I agree that recognition to the architect should somehow stay with the home or other building. A few months back I posted about an idea of AIA creating stickers that we could post somewhere in the house that would stay with the house similar how Energy Star certification goes on the electrical panel. Or it were a drawing tube permanently added (chained?) somewhere with the set of drawings, that could help with modifications.  The goal would be for their to be a line item on the appraisal form to that could list the architect if known. Perhaps it should say House Designer:  with then a box to check if licensed architect, then maybe another box for AIA Architect? Then another to check if blueprints of the home are present? I'd purchase a stack of fill in the blank stickers (maybe about 4"x5") to give to clients to post near the electrical panel - unless someone has another suggested location!

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Debra Rucker Coleman, AIA
Architect
Sun Plans Inc.
Mobile, AL
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-01-2012 09:53
From: Brenda Nelson
Subject: Architect Recognition and Realtors

I'm currently house hunting and this house was just listed on the market. Built in 1962 in central Des Moines, the style alone suggests that it would've have been designed by an architect. There isn't another house like it in town and it's built into the side of a hill that indicates it was designed specifically for that spot.

The realtor's description says "Frank Lloyd Wright inspired home". This bothers me. First, this is not FLW's style (you are free to disagree - I'm always willing to learn!). Mies Van de Rohe, yes, Saarinen, yes, even a little Phillip Johnson, but not Wright. Secondly, and more importanly, why would the realtor simply not give credit to the architect who ACTUALLY designed it? I remember seeing an estate sale ad for this location (which is why I've been watching to see if the house came up for sale or not!). The stuff listed was the "good stuff". Brand name mid century, Danish modern items. That indicates to me that the original owners have just left the home - so if they weren't the architect, then they would've had some record of the architect some place - right? Here's the link to the listing I'm talking about. If it doesnt work, please let me know in a reply. 
http://www.iowarealty.com/buying/detail_ml.asp?list_numb=407251&SearchFilter=8&house=5700&street=&

I'm on a bit of a rant about this, but what I really want to know is how can we work better with realtors to promote our industry while helping them with their business? It seems like an important business relationship that doesn't currently exist. Does anyone have suggestions on what we can do?
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Brenda Nelson Assoc. AIA
Woodruff Design, LLC
Cedar Rapids IA
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Brenda,

Agreed, definately not even FLW "inpsired." But for 1962, likely architect designed. It appears to have some contemporary upgrades or remodeling, but they are certainly sensitive with the original design intent.

Lacking a set of prints with the architect's name (which might be tucked in a closet or attic space), asking the previous owners if they know, or finding a historical name plate on the house or foundation (not likely), a couple of suggestions for finding the orginal architect: At your library, 1) check local 1962 newspapers for articles about local architects; or 2) check business registeries for 1962. Or inquire at your AIA chapter for historical member listings that would cover 1962. From that, you may find that the firm may still be in practice--maybe the son or daughter of the original architect. Also look for other homes in the area that have similar design features--maybe by the same architect.

A home designed in 1962 should not be too difficult. I once owned a home built Kansas in 1908 and managed to find the builder/designer--no architect--using some of these types of records along with evidence I found in the house itself.

Good luck.

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David W. Clarke AIA
President, AIA Southern New Mexico Chapter
Senior Architect, Williams Design Group, Inc.
Las Cruces NM

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Original Message:
Sent: 10-01-2012 09:53
From: Brenda Nelson
Subject: Architect Recognition and Realtors

I'm currently house hunting and this house was just listed on the market. Built in 1962 in central Des Moines, the style alone suggests that it would've have been designed by an architect. There isn't another house like it in town and it's built into the side of a hill that indicates it was designed specifically for that spot.

The realtor's description says "Frank Lloyd Wright inspired home". This bothers me. First, this is not FLW's style (you are free to disagree - I'm always willing to learn!). Mies Van de Rohe, yes, Saarinen, yes, even a little Phillip Johnson, but not Wright. Secondly, and more importanly, why would the realtor simply not give credit to the architect who ACTUALLY designed it? I remember seeing an estate sale ad for this location (which is why I've been watching to see if the house came up for sale or not!). The stuff listed was the "good stuff". Brand name mid century, Danish modern items. That indicates to me that the original owners have just left the home - so if they weren't the architect, then they would've had some record of the architect some place - right? Here's the link to the listing I'm talking about. If it doesnt work, please let me know in a reply. 
http://www.iowarealty.com/buying/detail_ml.asp?list_numb=407251&SearchFilter=8&house=5700&street=&

I'm on a bit of a rant about this, but what I really want to know is how can we work better with realtors to promote our industry while helping them with their business? It seems like an important business relationship that doesn't currently exist. Does anyone have suggestions on what we can do?

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Brenda Nelson Assoc. AIA
Woodruff Design, LLC
Cedar Rapids IA
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Michael Gustavson
Intern
Madison WI
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-02-2012 09:58
From: David Clarke
Subject: Architect Recognition and Realtors

Brenda,

Agreed, definately not even FLW "inpsired." But for 1962, likely architect designed. It appears to have some contemporary upgrades or remodeling, but they are certainly sensitive with the original design intent.

Lacking a set of prints with the architect's name (which might be tucked in a closet or attic space), asking the previous owners if they know, or finding a historical name plate on the house or foundation (not likely), a couple of suggestions for finding the orginal architect: At your library, 1) check local 1962 newspapers for articles about local architects; or 2) check business registeries for 1962. Or inquire at your AIA chapter for historical member listings that would cover 1962. From that, you may find that the firm may still be in practice--maybe the son or daughter of the original architect. Also look for other homes in the area that have similar design features--maybe by the same architect.

A home designed in 1962 should not be too difficult. I once owned a home built Kansas in 1908 and managed to find the builder/designer--no architect--using some of these types of records along with evidence I found in the house itself.

Good luck.

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David W. Clarke AIA
President, AIA Southern New Mexico Chapter
Senior Architect, Williams Design Group, Inc.
Las Cruces NM
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-01-2012 09:53
From: Brenda Nelson
Subject: Architect Recognition and Realtors

I'm currently house hunting and this house was just listed on the market. Built in 1962 in central Des Moines, the style alone suggests that it would've have been designed by an architect. There isn't another house like it in town and it's built into the side of a hill that indicates it was designed specifically for that spot.

The realtor's description says "Frank Lloyd Wright inspired home". This bothers me. First, this is not FLW's style (you are free to disagree - I'm always willing to learn!). Mies Van de Rohe, yes, Saarinen, yes, even a little Phillip Johnson, but not Wright. Secondly, and more importanly, why would the realtor simply not give credit to the architect who ACTUALLY designed it? I remember seeing an estate sale ad for this location (which is why I've been watching to see if the house came up for sale or not!). The stuff listed was the "good stuff". Brand name mid century, Danish modern items. That indicates to me that the original owners have just left the home - so if they weren't the architect, then they would've had some record of the architect some place - right? Here's the link to the listing I'm talking about. If it doesnt work, please let me know in a reply. 
http://www.iowarealty.com/buying/detail_ml.asp?list_numb=407251&SearchFilter=8&house=5700&street=&

I'm on a bit of a rant about this, but what I really want to know is how can we work better with realtors to promote our industry while helping them with their business? It seems like an important business relationship that doesn't currently exist. Does anyone have suggestions on what we can do?

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Brenda Nelson Assoc. AIA
Woodruff Design, LLC
Cedar Rapids IA
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David Andreozzi AIA
Owner
Andreozzi Architects
Barrington RI
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